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Old 09-19-2013, 03:03 PM
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Most high school coaches I've met have higher credentials to manage this team.
Total hyperbole.
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:07 PM
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Most high school coaches I've met have higher credentials to manage this team.
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Old 09-19-2013, 05:07 PM
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If his name wasn't Robin Ventura it wouldn't even be up for debate- he'd be fired the day after the season ended.
And that is the truth.

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Also it's frustrating to know that Ventura won't be the manager in 2015 but he'll be awarded a token role in the organization.
What's frustrating is that the Sox haven't done that yet.
That's exactly what you should do with an organizational favorite who wants a job, but really isn't qualified for something significant.
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Old 09-19-2013, 05:25 PM
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My opinion - the Sox thought two things when bringing Robin in:

1. We are going to suck and this will deflect blame - people will not want to blame a fan favorite who is new to managing.

2. People will come to games because Robin is here despite the record.

1 was right. 2 was wrong.

Note - these two thoughts are exactly what the Cubs had when they considered Sandberg and hired Sveum instead - I think they wanted to avoid any chance of Sandberg tanking with the rebuilding project right out of the gate.
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:15 PM
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My opinion - the Sox thought two things when bringing Robin in:

1. We are going to suck and this will deflect blame - people will not want to blame a fan favorite who is new to managing.

2. People will come to games because Robin is here despite the record.

1 was right. 2 was wrong.

Note - these two thoughts are exactly what the Cubs had when they considered Sandberg and hired Sveum instead - I think they wanted to avoid any chance of Sandberg tanking with the rebuilding project right out of the gate.
1 was wrong too. This thread proves it.
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:30 PM
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1 was wrong too. This thread proves it.
Heard on Boston radio today that Cubs will probably be looking for a new manager after this season. My guess is Peter Gammons hinted to them that Sveum is going since Gammons is still connected to Theo.
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:43 PM
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My opinion - the Sox thought two things when bringing Robin in:

1. We are going to suck and this will deflect blame - people will not want to blame a fan favorite who is new to managing.

2. People will come to games because Robin is here despite the record.
0. Ozzie was a train wreck. We need someone with class to represent the organization.

3. He has some potential as a leader. We aren't going to contend for several years, so he has time to grow into the role.

4. I'm the meantime, if his inexperience costs us wins, it only helps with the rebuild.


I think they were looking for Doc Rivers with the Celtics.
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:59 PM
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0. Ozzie was a train wreck. We need someone with class to represent the organization.

3. He has some potential as a leader. We aren't going to contend for several years, so he has time to grow into the role.

4. I'm the meantime, if his inexperience costs us wins, it only helps with the rebuild.


I think they were looking for Doc Rivers with the Celtics.
So when are we going to trade for the MLB equivalent of Garnett and Allen?
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So when are we going to trade for the MLB equivalent of Garnett and Allen?
Another thought is the make-up of next year's team. Hopefully we will have an infusion of young players to add to A. Garcia and the young pitchers. Is Robin and more importantly his staff the right group to develop young players??? If we are going to be playing AAA quality players at the ML level, it is important that the ML coaches are the right group to work with them. Obviously Coop will stay but for example is Manto the right guy to work with young hitters???
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:06 AM
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Another thought is the make-up of next year's team. Hopefully we will have an infusion of young players to add to A. Garcia and the young pitchers.
I would like that, but from where?
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I would like that, but from where?

Well, Phegley is a young player. It does appear that Garcia the Lesser and/or Semien masy also be there next year. I think Hahn will add either through free agency or a trade another couple of players which will probably result in at least 1 young position player. From a pitching standpoint, Peavey, Crain and Thornton have left so I assume one or more of their spots will be taken by a young player.

So I think it is safe to assume that next year's roster will start out with 3-4 young position players as well as 5+ young pitchers.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:58 AM
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Well, Phegley is a young player. It does appear that Garcia the Lesser and/or Semien masy also be there next year. I think Hahn will add either through free agency or a trade another couple of players which will probably result in at least 1 young position player. From a pitching standpoint, Peavey, Crain and Thornton have left so I assume one or more of their spots will be taken by a young player.

So I think it is safe to assume that next year's roster will start out with 3-4 young position players as well as 5+ young pitchers.
Just saying if they were guys from our system, probably not a great set of prospects there.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:30 PM
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Bingo. He was hired as a marketing tool, not to manage the team.
I don't buy that. Even a third-grader knows people don't go to games to watch the manager.

I think they went into 2012 believing they could win. I think they went into 2013 believing they could win. I don't think it was ever part of their thought process to say, "Well, we're gonna suck. Let's placate the fans by hiring Robin Ventura."
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:39 PM
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I don't buy that. Even a third-grader knows people don't go to games to watch the manager.

But he might come out of the dugout with a deliberate walk only he can do!
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:05 PM
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Wasn't he the manager from April-September last year? If it's his fault they didn't play well, wouldn't it be his fault they exceeded expections? To me, you are cherry-picking. You only count when the team is bad, and ignore they were in first place last season with a roster that many thought was short.

It's short now, and to complain that it is his fault they are losing after trading Peavy and Rios and Crain and Thornton, is ridiculous. Paulie has been beat up and a shell of his former self. What manager would be getting wins out of this roster right now? Just name one.
Sorry- 7 months of baseball is very healthy sample size- far from cherry picking.

Over the course of June/July- this team played to a .302 winning percentage (49 win pace over a full season)- that was before they started trading anyone.

Ventura got off to a promising start- but the last 7 months have proven (to me) that he (along with the talent level on the roster) is part of the problem not part of the solution.

One example of a manager who took over mediocre team and got them to play good fundamental/.500 baseball was LaRussa for the horrible 1979 White Sox team he inherited from Kessinger.

I just don't like Ventura's approach (if he has one)- at the Wednesday game- he had Danks and Ramirez both reach base late in the game as the tying runs- but never sent them- why? why not be a little aggressive?

In Balt a few weeks ago- he pinch hits Dunn for Viciedo- late in a game where Viciedo had a few hits, etc.- what was the purpose? Don't you want to develop Dayan as part of the future?
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