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Old 08-30-2013, 05:03 AM
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Who cares about catching Minnesota? Let's catch Kansas City!
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:49 AM
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KC? Let's just catch Detroit while we're at it! ;)

Yes, that should be in teal I suppose...
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:30 PM
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You are correct, Sale was a homerun pick. But the following were also not Top 3 picks---Mitchell-Beckham-Poreda-McCulloch-Broadway-Fields-Anderson-Ring-Honel etc. A lot of strikeouts for that one homerun.
Geez, people really do hate Beckham. He is much too good a player to be listed with the rest of those bums.
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:55 PM
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Geez, people really do hate Beckham. He is much too good a player to be listed with the rest of those bums.
Remains to be seen, really.
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Remains to be seen, really.
He's been a starter for five years!! That's hardly a bust.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:13 PM
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He's been a starter for five years!! That's hardly a bust.
He's been barely above replacement level for most of those years. Jury's still out.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:17 PM
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He's been barely above replacement level for most of those years. Jury's still out.
He's been clearly above replacement level (6.3 WAR in 5 seasons now) and even if he was barely above replacement level, it's still a helluva lot better than the rest of the crap on that list.
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Old 08-30-2013, 03:05 PM
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If we catch them, we catch them. In the meantime, play and pitch the young players. The main goal now is the future - certainly not winning 70 games or catching Minnesota.
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Old 08-30-2013, 04:16 PM
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You are correct, Sale was a homerun pick. But the following were also not Top 3 picks---Mitchell-Beckham-Poreda-McCulloch-Broadway-Fields-Anderson-Ring-Honel etc. A lot of strikeouts for that one homerun.
Yep. That list is revolting. It's a damning indictment of the Sox incompetence in drafting players over a 10 year period.

The following players were in the top 3 over the last 10 years or so: Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Strasburg, Justin Verlander, Pedro Alvarez, David Price, Mike Moustakas, Evan Longoria, Justin Upton, Alex Gordon, Joe Mauer.

Having a higher pick could matter.
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He's been a starter for five years!! That's hardly a bust.
I put him on the list because that is the list of 1st round draft picks. The point is Sale was a great pick but Beckham is the only one who is a legit ML player and his career is very average so far. Mitchell may turn out to be one
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The following players were in the top 3 over the last 10 years or so: Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Strasburg, Justin Verlander, Pedro Alvarez, David Price, Mike Moustakas, Evan Longoria, Justin Upton, Alex Gordon, Joe Mauer.
Could we see all the top 3s over the last 10 years? How many other GMs have picked busts in those rounds?
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I put him on the list because that is the list of 1st round draft picks. The point is Sale was a great pick but Beckham is the only one who is a legit ML player and his career is very average so far. Mitchell may turn out to be one
I thought some scouts have Mitchell as a candidate to be released?
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That's a depressing list no doubt, but it has nothing to do with the people pulling the lever now...I don't know as much as some about the Sox minors, amateur players and what not, but it seems like they've done a decent job the last couple of years.
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I thought some scouts have Mitchell as a candidate to be released?
Look at the stats and you can see why.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=mitche001jar
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Because I'm hungover and need something to focus on, I took a look at the top 3 vs picks 4-10 over the past 10 years. Below is my listing of players that I feel are at a minimum "not bums" (so sorry, you won't be seeing Phil Humber on this list). Keep in mind this is completely subjective on my part and there's a pretty good chance I'm leaving people off that you might consider good players and you may think some below are bums! Also, once I got around 2009 or so, it became more difficult to determine as some of these guys are still good prospects so I am keeping this solely at guys who have been good major league players so far.

2002:
1-3: BJ Upton
4-10: Zack Greinke, Prince Fielder

2003:
1-3: Delmon Young, Rickie Weeks
4-10: Nick Markakis, John Danks, Ian Stewart

2004:
1-3: Justin Verlander
4-10: no one

2005:
1-3: Justin Upton
4-10: Ryan Zimmerman, Ryan Braun, Troy Tulowitski (wow!)

2006:
1-3: Evan Longoria
4-10: Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecomb

2007:
1-3: David Price, Mike Moustakas...I guess
4-10: Matt Wieters, Madison Bumgarner

2008:
1-3: Pedro Alvarez, Eric Hosmer...maybe
4-10: Buster Posey, Gordon Beckham

2009:
1-3: Steven Strasburg
4-10: Mike Leake, Mike Minor

2010:
1-3: Bryce Harper, Manny Machado
4-10: Matt Harvey, Delino DeShields only if in some bizarre time traveling way it is the same guy from my childhood

2011+ Too early as none of these guys have had significant MLB time yet.
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