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Old 08-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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Default What Should Be Done With Ventura?

Ventura's contract is up this season and the Sox aren't discussing a deal with him until the offseason. What would you guys do with him?

Some reports say that the Angels may part ways with Mike Scioscia. Dave Martinez and Sandy Alomar Jr. are both still available. Ryne Sandberg will probably stay with the Phillies now that he has taken over. Also word is that Cal Ripken Jr. is interested in managing. What would be your preference?
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:24 PM
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Ventura's contract is up after 2014.

He'll finish it, and then he'll be gone.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:30 PM
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Robin's contract goes through the end of 2014, but you're right that the real off season question is probably extension or saying good bye.

The status of Scioscia probably makes the answer to this question more pressing. From what I read its just a question of whether he or Dipoto is forced out. It is agreed they can't continue together. For me the only question here is whether there is anything deeper to the Scioscia feud (who's at fault) otherwise the Sox would be fools not sign him.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:49 PM
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JR (or anyone else) doesn't have to stones to can him so unless the team is somehow even worse out of the gate next year we have a full season of lame ducking to look forward too.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:50 PM
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Some reports say that the Angels may part ways with Mike Scioscia. Dave Martinez and Sandy Alomar Jr. are both still available. Ryne Sandberg will probably stay with the Phillies now that he has taken over. Also word is that Cal Ripken Jr. is interested in managing. What would be your preference?
Only two managers with experience were hired by this ownership and both were on the cheap. Forget Scioscia.

My thinking is it will given to the inside guy and the one thats probably making a lot of decisions anyway. Cooper.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:57 PM
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My only trepidation on dumping Ventura is that I wouldn't want to lose our pitching or hitting coach.
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:24 PM
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Well, they have looked badly managed if bad fundamentals and losing streaks are indicators of bad managing, and they are in my book. But they weren't badly managed last year. I guess his managerial skills regressed from year to year.

Can he preside over a rebuilding? Would someone who's succeeded and worn out his welcome elsewhere want to do a rebuild?

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Old 08-25-2013, 04:41 PM
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Draft a superstar hitter, find a 3Bman worth his salt, get one stud pitcher and let him win. Maybe a thank you letter for enduring a tough season and coaching a team in the same division as the Tigers.
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:10 PM
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IMO Robin is going to walk away after the season.

It will be interesting to see who the next manager will be.

No more former Sox players, please.

I'd hope Coop will stay, but the rest of the staff should be selected by the new guy. No more old Sox network when it comes to the on-field staff.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:24 PM
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IMO Robin is going to walk away after the season.
And walk away from his salary? Unlikely.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:29 PM
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IMO Robin is going to walk away after the season.

It will be interesting to see who the next manager will be.

No more former Sox players, please.

I'd hope Coop will stay, but the rest of the staff should be selected by the new guy. No more old Sox network when it comes to the on-field staff.
The front office frequently hires the hitting and pitching coach as well.
I've been impressed with Manto, too.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:26 PM
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This should be Ventura's last season. His managing has been as embarrassing as the on-field play.

Hire a new manager and give him the option of keeping Cooper on board, but nobody else.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:55 AM
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I would be surprised if Ventura hung it up after this season. I just can't see him leaving after the poor performance of the Sox in 2013. His contract runs through 2014, so I assume he'll be back for one more year and try to make amends for what has happened record-wise this year.

After Ventura? I have no clue. I just hope it's someone who works well with the young players we'll have on the roster at that time.
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:14 AM
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The front office frequently hires the hitting and pitching coach as well.
I've been impressed with Manto, too.

Tragg: What have you been impressed with?? I think Gordon is the only regular who seems to have improved offensively but with only half a season of play. But Gordon, Alexei and Viciedo have all seen a major drop in their HR output this season. More importantly their RBI production is down as well. Gordon and Alexei have improved their average but the decline in RBI production has suffered. DeAza, however has seen his power and RBI numbers go up but his average has dropped.
I don't even include Konerko, Flowers, Keppinger and even Rios who saw their production down from last year but I don't think Manto is to blame.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:58 PM
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The front office frequently hires the hitting and pitching coach as well.
I've been impressed with Manto, too.
IMO, Ventura will be back next year way before Manto is.

Our already-weak hitters are constantly overmatched within Manto's over-aggressive philosophy. You can't give the pitcher the count every at-bat and expect good results.

Had we improved in run-scoring and homers, then I'd say that move was at least worth a shot for a change of pace, but we haven't. So not only does his approach not work, it made us worse.

Before we bring in better hitters, we need a new hitting coach who doesn't preach swing-first and that taking walks are bad.
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