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This. I'm not making a case for buehrle either but the way bullpens are used nowadays and how misleading the win is, voters really need to change what they consider HOF worthy. I think quality starts needs to be considered. When you think of how bullpens regularly blow leads in remarkable fashion and pitch counts determine innings pitched...different criteria needs to be considered for starting pitchers going forward.
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He beat Boston 2-1 tonight. He's up to 157 innings for the year now.
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That's the key number. He's still 67 wins from that, which, depending on where he's pitching (I don't think he stays in Toronto), could take 4-7 years. He could easily be 40 before he gets there.
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Buehrle won his 10th game today; that's 13 straight seasons with 10 or more wins. He needs to pitch 28 more innings to hit 200 IP for the 13th straight season.
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I would think he would get at least 5 more starts so he should easily reach 200 innings. Baseball Reference hasn't updated Buehrles stats yet but he might pass Urban Shocker for career war and he will be right behind Hall of Famer Three Finger Brown.
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They update their stats everyday, Buehrle's not going to make up the 1/2 point of WAR he trails Urban Shocker by in 1 game, maybe by the end of the year, at best
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They usually update the stats around 3 am. Buehrle is at 54.5 and Shocker is at 54.8. After todays game and when they updat the stats, Buehrle should be tied or maybe pass Shocker.
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Definitely could see him passing Shocker by season's end if he starts anothe 5-6 games, but I would be surprised if they're even tied tomorrow. |
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I really have no idea how they calculate war but in his last start he pitched 6.2 innings and got.2 war and in todays game he went 8 innings and pitched a better game so i'm guesing he'll get at least .3 war.
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Just to put Mark's HOF potential in perspective (and recognizing that his chances for the HOF will likely improve the longer he continues to pitch), using the metrics listed in Baseball Reference, at this point in his career, the likelihood of Buehrle make the HOF is lower than Magglio Ordonez's. He's going to have to continue to pitch effectively well beyond the length of his current contract.
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He gained .4 war to pass Urban Shocker as 76th highest war for pitchers. Currently he's at 54.9. He has a very good shot of passing Red Ruffing, Kevin Appier, Tim Hudson and Three Finger Brown. I don't see how Magglio Ordonez is a better Hall of Famer than Buehrle either. Ordonez had a nice peak but he eneded up with a 38.0 war. There's not to many hitters in the Hall of Fame who ended up with a war under 40.0. Alot of the guys in the Hall of Fame with a war under 40.0 are Frankie Frisch crony picks too.
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