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Old 08-22-2013, 10:20 PM
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Also, what Eddie Einhorn said about the Sox being Chicago's American League team 30 ****ing years ago

The threatened move to the sunshine state also.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:26 PM
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They didn't have one when Thomas left, or AJ, or Buehrle, and they won't have one now. Fans get over things (except Reinsdorf's role in the strike) quickly. Few people, I bet, are going to the park these days to see Paulie play.
I don't know what you remember, but Frank's exit was nothing short of a PR disaster, further compounded by his MVP caliber 2006. I also seem to recall quite a few people (myself included) having a conniption when Buehrle was allowed to walk.

Now, these were alleviated by the fact that Thome was immediately brought in in November of 2005, and that the Buehrle money went to locking up Danks (a popular move at the time). If the Sox are able to shift Viciedo to first or DH and bring in a legitimate corner outfielder, or spend money on a suitable replacement (the Abreu kid from Cuba comes to mind), I can see the majority of White Sox fandom letting PK go with grace. However, if we end up with Jordan Danks in Left Field next year as PK goes elsewhere, I suspect there may be some rumblings of discontent.

That's me playing devils advocate. I think now is about the right time to gracefully conclude the Paul Konerko era of White Sox baseball, for whatever the greater body of fans think. There does, however, need to be a suitable replacement ready. This team may not be going anywhere next year, but I'd still rather watch PK post a .660 OPS than Lars Anderson.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:50 AM
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I really hope Dunn continues to do well as the Sox may be able to get something of value for him this offseason. Since the Sox won't be contending next year, it really isn't worth it to have him around next year.
That's pretty much how I feel about it. I'm for trading him if we get something of value in return. He's looking good now, but he's also looked brutal most of his time with the Sox. Which Dunn will show up next spring, the one hitting close to his career norms now or the one who is hitting for a historically bad average? Even if he continues to hit like this through next season, it might mean the difference between 3rd and 4th place for us.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:54 AM
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I don't know what you remember, but Frank's exit was nothing short of a PR disaster, further compounded by his MVP caliber 2006. I also seem to recall quite a few people (myself included) having a conniption when Buehrle was allowed to walk.

Now, these were alleviated by the fact that Thome was immediately brought in in November of 2005, and that the Buehrle money went to locking up Danks (a popular move at the time). If the Sox are able to shift Viciedo to first or DH and bring in a legitimate corner outfielder, or spend money on a suitable replacement (the Abreu kid from Cuba comes to mind), I can see the majority of White Sox fandom letting PK go with grace. However, if we end up with Jordan Danks in Left Field next year as PK goes elsewhere, I suspect there may be some rumblings of discontent.

That's me playing devils advocate. I think now is about the right time to gracefully conclude the Paul Konerko era of White Sox baseball, for whatever the greater body of fans think. There does, however, need to be a suitable replacement ready. This team may not be going anywhere next year, but I'd still rather watch PK post a .660 OPS than Lars Anderson.
At what cost?
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:56 AM
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I don't know what you remember, but Frank's exit was nothing short of a PR disaster, further compounded by his MVP caliber 2006. I also seem to recall quite a few people (myself included) having a conniption when Buehrle was allowed to walk.

Now, these were alleviated by the fact that Thome was immediately brought in in November of 2005, and that the Buehrle money went to locking up Danks (a popular move at the time). If the Sox are able to shift Viciedo to first or DH and bring in a legitimate corner outfielder, or spend money on a suitable replacement (the Abreu kid from Cuba comes to mind), I can see the majority of White Sox fandom letting PK go with grace. However, if we end up with Jordan Danks in Left Field next year as PK goes elsewhere, I suspect there may be some rumblings of discontent.

That's me playing devils advocate. I think now is about the right time to gracefully conclude the Paul Konerko era of White Sox baseball, for whatever the greater body of fans think. There does, however, need to be a suitable replacement ready. This team may not be going anywhere next year, but I'd still rather watch PK post a .660 OPS than Lars Anderson.
Holy hyperbole Sox fan.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:04 AM
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Holy hyperbole Sox fan.
No kidding. We root for laundry. Did people suddenly stop going to Mariners games when Ichiro or Griffey left?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:19 AM
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People wanted the Sox to match or beat the Mariners' offer? Really? WOW! I am shocked. I have a huge mancrush on Burlymon from the time he spent on the Southside, but that contract was nuts...
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:26 PM
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People wanted the Sox to match or beat the Mariners' offer? Really? WOW! I am shocked. I have a huge mancrush on Burlymon from the time he spent on the Southside, but that contract was nuts...
Like I said, just playing devils advocate. I don't disagree with any of you. I happen to know a few 'fans' who decided that the team wasn't worth their time after Frank and Buehrle were allowed to walk. Some people are dumber than we give them credit for.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:29 PM
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No one said we did have an obligation, but the White Sox will have a PR dilemma if he chooses not to retire and they don't attempt to resign him.
No dilemma at all in my world. Konerko should not be on the team in 2014. I hope he retires. I'd rather not see him in another uniform, but I don't believe in keeping people around for sentiment's sake.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:26 PM
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People wanted the Sox to match or beat the Mariners' offer? Really? WOW! I am shocked. I have a huge mancrush on Burlymon from the time he spent on the Southside, but that contract was nuts...

I'm not sure how Danks at 14.25/yr is reasonable, but 13.5/yr for Buerhle is nuts. We could have traded Danks for prospects and kept the superior pitcher.
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:15 PM
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Also, what Eddie Einhorn said about the Sox being Chicago's American League team 30 ****ing years ago
That was in response to the Veeck promoting the team as the South Chicago White Sox. The full quote, at least the original one, probably makes that clear.

As much flak as the current ownership has taken over the years for its perceived treatment of the second Veeck group, when you talk to players and coaches who were around at the transition, you hear how much the White Sox operations improved with the current regime.
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:20 PM
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That was in response to the Veeck promoting the team as the South Chicago White Sox. The full quote, at least the original one, probably makes that clear.
Someone should tell Lip about this.
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:49 PM
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Undercapitalized doesn't begin to describe the second Veeck ownership. He was operating on frayed shoestrings. It wouldn't have taken much to improve baseball operations. The new owners signed Fisk and Luzinski, expanded the promotional budget, and increased the number of scouts, among other things. It seems after the Sox fizzled in 84 there was a retrenchment that lasted until the team's future in Chicago was secured. I've stated over and over again that I consider the Reinsdorf era to have been a very mixed bag. Believe me they earned a lot of the bad feelings they engendered over the years. It helps to have been around for the duration to have a proper and fair perspective. There seems to me to be a dichotomy among younger and older Sox fans when it comes to evaluating the Reinsdorf ownership's legacy.
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:07 PM
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I'm not sure how Danks at 14.25/yr is reasonable, but 13.5/yr for Buerhle is nuts. We could have traded Danks for prospects and kept the superior pitcher.
Age for starters. Danks is/was entering the prime of his career. Buehrle is nearing the end.

However, I never actually mentioned Danks, I merely said I thought Buehrle's contract was unreasonable.
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:18 PM
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I'm not sure how Danks at 14.25/yr is reasonable, but 13.5/yr for Buerhle is nuts. We could have traded Danks for prospects and kept the superior pitcher.
Buehrle's stats this year back in the AL are far from dazzling. But yeah, Danks ended up a poor decision thus far.
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