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Old 08-09-2013, 09:43 AM
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I agree that Rios's image took a big hit recently among Sox fans who are still paying attention due to the incident that Robin benched him for...but they are letting that cloud their rational assessment of his value.

I believe that Rosenthal said he was the 5th best WAR for rightfielders since the start of 2012....hey,gang, that is a valuable player for a contender who has just lost their best hitter, in Cruz.

Texas has already invested a huge amount in payroll,and they have tons of money from their tv deal...like 250-300 million/yr.
So the money is no object to them.
They have come close to winning a WS,but have just missed.
There are jobs at stake for them to make the playoffs again this year.
Daniels is desperate not to be aced out of at least the wildcard this year,after the A's have pantsed them twice now,with a fraction of the payroll.

The Rangers are desperate for a hitter. Rios is a five tool player who would be their best outfielder immediately.

If the Rangers do not come up with a decent package...screw them.
The Sox can get a bad deal in the offseason,and that would cost them 4 million to keep him around this season. He is our best hitting outfielder,so that is not a bad thing. Sit PK and have Tank play first,with Garcia in center or left....problem solved.

Hahn can show me something here...they are over the barrel...hammer them.
Not at all. The Rangers are not desperate. They may take on the salary, and that's it. JD's job is not at stake whatsoever. And how did they get pantsed twice by Oakland when they only lost to them last year primarily due to Josh Hamilton melting down and went to the World Series the previous 2 years?

They're not going to give anything. I don't care if Rios stays or goes, all the same to me. But it's ridiculous to think he'll bring anything but salary relief in return.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:48 AM
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I don't buy that. Most Sox were fine with Alex last year because we were winning. It's the combination of us now losing and Rios legitimately looking like he doesn't give a **** that rubs people the wrong way. If we were leading the division nobody would have an issue with Rios.
You know who doesn't look like he gives a **** too? Konerko.

But no one calls him out.

Sometimes I wonder about the double standard (or other factors which I wish not to get into) here.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:48 AM
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I must say, this is one of the better discussion threads we've had as of late (if not, this entire season)

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Old 08-09-2013, 09:50 AM
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Which, IMO, plays a part in the city generally being willing to accept mediocrity from its teams. Generally.

"I'd rather lose a game and play hard than showboat and/or loaf and win!"

This isn't little league.
Meathead checking in.

It's just sports. It's supposed to be fun. It's not life or death, it's not national security. It's entertainment.

Yeah, winning is fun. But if I can't be proud of the guys I'm cheering for, then I'm not interested. Call me provincial, call me unsophisticated, call me a meathead. All good.

You hit the nail on the head about the attitude of fans in this town, and I'm fine with it.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:51 AM
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Which, IMO, plays a part in the city generally being willing to accept mediocrity from its teams. Generally.

"I'd rather lose a game and play hard than showboat and/or loaf and win!"

This isn't little league.

Reminds me of all the meatball Bears fans who call into the radio and say they'd take a losing season if it meant playing hard against the Packers and beating them.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:54 AM
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You know who doesn't look like he gives a **** too? Konerko.

But no one calls him out.

Sometimes I wonder about the double standard (or other factors which I wish not to get into) here.
Right, because the fans automatically give a pass to white players. Adam Dunn ring a bell?
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:05 AM
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Right, because the fans automatically give a pass to white players. Adam Dunn ring a bell?
I was referring to the overwhelming name calling (clown, hot dog, bum) of what IMO is a very productive ML player.

Why is that?

I find that not fair for the guy.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:09 AM
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Yeah I hate blue collar people too. It's a good thing they are being phased out of existence. They are unruly, unhip and drink decaf instead of the most expensive starbucks latte. Chicago really sucked when neighborhoods like Belmont Cragin and West Lawn were full of them. As for Rowand, yeah he stunk too. Lousy ball player and repulsive personality. I don't know why they let him have a WS ring. Grinders are like blue collar people. Wish they would all go away.
Wow. What a stretch you're making as far as my or anyone else's comments go. Just ridiculous.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:09 AM
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Right, because the fans automatically give a pass to white players. Adam Dunn ring a bell?
Aaaaaaand, that might do it as well.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:11 AM
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You know who doesn't look like he gives a **** too? Konerko.

But no one calls him out.

Sometimes I wonder about the double standard (or other factors which I wish not to get into) here.
Konerko is a known class act around the league at the end of his career and one the franchises icons. Your going to compare him to Rios? A guy who has youtube videos that show him cursing at fans and teammates calling him out for sleeping before games? The two don't compare.

Back to your point, what has Paulie done to show he's mailing it in?
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:11 AM
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I'm all for trading him to free up space for Garcia, but not to just give him away for nothing. What in this organization's recent past makes people think the $4M this year will be plowed back into scouting/development or another player? It will only serve to aid the profits of the owners.

I would much rather they send that $4M along with Rios to the Rangers for a couple good prospects ( I would ask for Neil Ramirez and Ronald Guzman personally) so we know the money is being used to try and improve the future of the club. I don't know why the owners/front office continually refuse to send money along with players to improve the prospects we get back in deals.

You don't let a 5 tool player go for nothing with only one year and 2 months on his contract unless his contract is completely out of line with the market. Is he over priced....yes, but not by much. The Sox have the leverage here with the Rangers needing a bat to compete this year. Get a decent prospect back or pull Rios back.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:11 AM
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Meathead checking in.

It's just sports. It's supposed to be fun. It's not life or death, it's not national security. It's entertainment.

Yeah, winning is fun. But if I can't be proud of the guys I'm cheering for, then I'm not interested. Call me provincial, call me unsophisticated, call me a meathead. All good.

You hit the nail on the head about the attitude of fans in this town, and I'm fine with it.
Ray Lewis is one thing to have a problem rooting for. A guy who occasionally loafs like Rios is another.

Sports are also more important a hobby to some than others. I don't think you win at all costs (see PEDs), but really, really wanting to win and not finding entertainment in losing teams is fine. So is your opinion.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:12 AM
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Back to your point, what has Paulie done to show he's mailing it in?
I think he's just done (diminished skills). Mailing it in? Nah.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:17 AM
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I was referring to the overwhelming name calling (clown, hot dog, bum) of what IMO is a very productive ML player.

Why is that?

I find that not fair for the guy.
There was a play earlier this year when he was called out on a borderline strike three, and the pitch went to the backstop. Rather than running to first, which he would have made quite easily, he argued with the umpire until the catcher jogged back with the ball and tagged him out. I don't recall the precise game situation, but I know the score was close and his run mattered.

That pretty well sums up Alex Rios. Fantastically talented, but either too oblivious, dumb or full of himself to make the most of his potential. Lots of guys have some or all of those traits, but they make up for it by busting their ass on a daily basis. Rios hustles when he wants to, which isn't often. I loathe Rios.

All that said, I spend far more game-watching time bitching about Adam Dunn than Alex Rios. Last I checked, Dunn's not a minority. There's plenty of racism in the world, but fans' dislike of Rios isn't an example.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:22 AM
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