*Official* Alex Rios Traded To Texas Thread

[SCCWS]

Originally Posted by Harry Chappas

I'd be more comfortable with the idea of dumping his salary if I had faith that the Sox would actually use it wisely (i.e. invest it in their farm system, acquire solid free agents, etc.).

If they acquire solid free agents they will also have to invest in more Fireworks.

[PalehosePlanet]

Originally Posted by Fastball23

Bruce Levine ‏@ESPNBruceLevine25m
White Sox will want Martin and may have to settle for Leri Garcia and other prospects

There is no way that Texas would trade us Martin as he is the Rangers best OF'er right now. Also knowing that they are short on OF'ers I don't think there is a chance in hell that Hahn would even ask for a current MLB rostered OF'er in return. Bruce Levine, or his source, is obviously full of ****.

Also, hopefully we can score better than Leury Garcia.

[TheVulture]

Originally Posted by kittle42

Dunn: 3584 plate appearances with men on base. 674 hits, 849 RBI. .239 BA.

Pierre: 2827 PA, 705 hits, 503 RBI. .290

Pretty surprising, I think.

You were slamming me in that thread back then, but the numbers were with Pierre at the plate 13.5% of runners scored, with Dunn 13% for their careers at that point...it's all in the original we signed Dunn thread.

[kittle42]

Originally Posted by TheVulture

You were slamming me in that thread back then, but the numbers were with Pierre at the plate 13.5% of runners scored, with Dunn 13% for their careers at that point...it's all in the original we signed Dunn thread.

Well, I should have looked more closely at the stats. Of course, I don't think any team would consider hitting Pierre 3-6 in a lineup, but it's interesting.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by kittle42

Dunn: 3584 plate appearances with men on base. 674 hits, 849 RBI. .239 BA.

Pierre: 2827 PA, 705 hits, 503 RBI. .290

Pretty surprising, I think.

This is the kind of stat that illustrates why OBP has limited value in indicating a player's offensive worth.

[TheVulture]

Originally Posted by kittle42

Well, I should have looked more closely at the stats. Of course, I don't think any team would consider hitting Pierre 3-6 in a lineup, but it's interesting.

Well, I wasn't trying to claim Pierre was as good as run producer, only that Dunn was about as bad as you can get for 40 HR guy because he didn't put the ball into play half the time. It wasn't a well received argument I have to admit.

[KRS1]

I don't let Rios go for nothing. In fact, I'd be asking for the same bounty I was before the deadline.

[XplodingScorbord]

Originally Posted by KRS1

I don't let Rios go for nothing. In fact, I'd be asking for the same bounty I was before the deadline.

Nah, let him go. The Sox don't need a .270 hitter that steals 30 bases. It's loony land here. I realize lots of people don't like the guy here, but let's get real. You don't give that guy away for nothing in return. If you end up having to keep him, he helps next years team more than running Jordan Danks out there <shudder>.

[Over By There]

To those so eager to give Rios away via waivers, just to dump salary, I ask: why the rush? The Sox have leverage here. How much is debatable, but leverage is what turns old players/overpaid players/expiring contracts/etc. into good returns in trades. At this moment, the Rangers need Rios much worse than we need to get rid of him. Leverage. Hahn should absolutely hold the line here and try to get some value other than just dumping salary.

Again, there's no rush. Even if the Sox end up in the position where there is no market for Rios and they just have to let him walk for no real return, that can be accomplished in the offseason. Scrambling to let go of our #3 hitter for nothing is a silly, emotional reaction.

[dickallen15]

Originally Posted by Over By There

To those so eager to give Rios away via waivers, just to dump salary, I ask: why the rush? The Sox have leverage here. How much is debatable, but leverage is what turns old players/overpaid players/expiring contracts/etc. into good returns in trades. At this moment, the Rangers need Rios much worse than we need to get rid of him. Leverage. Hahn should absolutely hold the line here and try to get some value other than just dumping salary.

Again, there's no rush. Even if the Sox end up in the position where there is no market for Rios and they just have to let him walk for no real return, that can be accomplished in the offseason. Scrambling to let go of our #3 hitter for nothing is a silly, emotional reaction.

If you are going to give him away for nothing this winter, you might as well save $4 million get rid of him now and create space to see what you have in Garcia.

[Mr. Jinx]

Originally Posted by Over By There

To those so eager to give Rios away via waivers, just to dump salary, I ask: why the rush? The Sox have leverage here. How much is debatable, but leverage is what turns old players/overpaid players/expiring contracts/etc. into good returns in trades. At this moment, the Rangers need Rios much worse than we need to get rid of him. Leverage. Hahn should absolutely hold the line here and try to get some value other than just dumping salary.

Again, there's no rush. Even if the Sox end up in the position where there is no market for Rios and they just have to let him walk for no real return, that can be accomplished in the offseason. Scrambling to let go of our #3 hitter for nothing is a silly, emotional reaction.

If they wait until the offseason, it is highly likely that nobody is going to pick him up then and pay all of his contract as there will be better OF opportunities available fro less than what Rios makes.. The Sox have an opportunity now to dump that deal rather than wait for the winter to trade him for a few weak prospects and chip in cash to boot.

[Over By There]

For a place so eager to bag on the Sox for pinching pennies, WSI sure has turned into a bunch of fiscal ****ing hawks. Give away one of our best hitters so we can save $3 or $4 million? It's like I don't even know who you people are anymore.

[XplodingScorbord]

Originally Posted by Over By There

For a place so eager to bag on the Sox for pinch inning pennies, WSI sure has turned into a bunch of fiscal ****ing hawks. Give away one of our best hitters so we can save $3 or $4 million? It's like I don't even know who you people are anymore.

Post of the day!

[ZombieRob]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jinx

If they wait until the offseason, it is highly likely that nobody is going to pick him up then and pay all of his contract as there will be better OF opportunities available fro less than what Rios makes.. The Sox have an opportunity now to dump that deal rather than wait for the winter to trade him for a few weak prospects and chip in cash to boot.

Good post. Any which way you put it, it's a gamble. No one can predict what teams will want next season at the Deadline. Wait till offseason Sox IMO lose leverage anyway. Teams will know the Sox are desperate to dump. Dump him now you open up a sport for Garcia and don't have to worry about it later. Then they have flexebility to plan out next offseason with De Aza or Viciedo.

[soltrain21]

Originally Posted by Over By There

For a place so eager to bag on the Sox for pinching pennies, WSI sure has turned into a bunch of fiscal ****ing hawks. Give away one of our best hitters so we can save $3 or $4 million? It's like I don't even know who you people are anymore.

Well, he makes like 15 million next year, too.