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Old 08-08-2013, 04:17 PM
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Remember when Ivan Rodriguez, arguably the class of the 2003-2004 Free Agent class signed with the Tigers despite them coming off a record-breaking 119-loss season in 2003? It happens.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:18 PM
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Bernstein has been pushing the salary dump idea on the Score all day today, and Ken Rosenthal just basically took a dump on him and said you need to go for players in return.

Finally someone shut him up
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:21 PM
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If you think this year is bad, wait until we get 162 games of Travis Ishikawa at 1st.
That's not ever going to happen. The Sox would play Keppinger, Gillespie, Viciedo or one of their infield prospects at first before Ishikawa. The dude is just filler for the Charlotte roster, he'll never see the light of day.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:23 PM
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I never read that they overpaid at signing. Hindsight of course is 20/20.
You obviously didn't read the entire thread on WSI.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:26 PM
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You obviously didn't read the entire thread on WSI.

Yea I did and was involved. Most were very thrilled.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:30 PM
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Sox need to get some prospects back for Alex.
Rios is going well right now,and can be immediately plugged into the rangers outfield and take care of it,which is exactly what they need right now.

Finally, the Sox are the ones with the leverage. Eat a few million if you must,but get some damn prospects!!
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:31 PM
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Bernstein has been pushing the salary dump idea on the Score all day today, and Ken Rosenthal just basically took a dump on him and said you need to go for players in return.

Finally someone shut him up
You dump payroll in there is a plan for it. Ex. Savings from Rios will be used to sign a FA catcher. Savings from Dunn for a FA 3B. Then in the 2014 offseason you add a few more pieces. However if the goal was to pull a Marlins and keep payroll at $60 mil or below then that is a different story.

I'd rather both Dunn and Rios be gone, but I'd rather we eat part of the deals to buy a few prospects in return.


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Sox need to get some prospects back for Alex.
Rios is going well right now,and can be immediately plugged into the rangers outfield and take care of it,which is exactly what they need right now.

Finally, the Sox are the ones with the leverage. Eat a few million if you must,but get some damn prospects!!

Completely agree with that last sentence.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:32 PM
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Rangers top 20 loaded with good infield prospects:

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/mlb/pro...2013/#list=tex

Not saying we'll get a top 20, but I can dream, right?
We better score a top 20. Texas has a few good OF prospects in the minors but they are all aged 17-20 and are a long way from the majors. They can't help them now.

Hahn holds all the cards and if Texas doesn't want to play ball, then let them try to make the playoffs w/one decent OF (Leonys Martin) on their roster. They need Rios even if Cruz hadn't been suspended. They gave up four players for two months of Garza; that's a complete waste if they get conservative now.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:34 PM
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Finally, the Sox are the ones with the leverage. Eat a few million if you must,but get some damn prospects!!

Thats what scares me that the Sox wont eat some salary and only consider getting rid of salary.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:36 PM
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Yea I did and was involved. Most were very thrilled.
You must have skipped over my posts where I showed that Juan Pierre historically was more likely to drive in a runner already on base than Dunn.

I also recall a number of posters claiming Williams was bidding against himself, because no one else wanted to sign him.

Here's the post I made that led to me showing Pierre was more likely to drive in a runner to back up this initial claim:

"Hate to be a downer, but I give Sox fans about 2 months of their cleanup hitter whiffing regularly with runners in scoring position before they've had enough of Dunn. Over his career, Dunn has failed to put the ball in play with runners in scoring position 48.4% of the time. The dude lives on putting up garbage time numbers."
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:38 PM
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White Sox will want Martin and may have to settle for Leri Garcia and other prospects
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:49 PM
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You must have skipped over my posts where I showed that Juan Pierre historically was more likely to drive in a runner already on base than Dunn.

I also recall a number of posters claiming Williams was bidding against himself, because no one else wanted to sign him.
Yea maybe you, I and Tdog werent trilled but most were.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:54 PM
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That should be done and should have been done for years. Thats a given if this Rios thing happens or not but I dont see teaching that old dog new tricks.

btw: I didnt see you yesterday, hope you had a good one.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:58 PM
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"Hate to be a downer, but I give Sox fans about 2 months of their cleanup hitter whiffing regularly with runners in scoring position before they've had enough of Dunn. Over his career, Dunn has failed to put the ball in play with runners in scoring position 48.4% of the time. The dude lives on putting up garbage time numbers."
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Pierre: 2827 PA, 705 hits, 503 RBI. .290

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Old 08-08-2013, 05:01 PM
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Thats what scares me that the Sox wont eat some salary and only consider getting rid of salary.
I think this is what they should do which means it probably won't happen. For anything resembling a legit prospect, the Sox will probably have to eat some of AR's contract I would think.

I'd be more comfortable with the idea of dumping his salary if I had faith that the Sox would actually use it wisely (i.e. invest it in their farm system, acquire solid free agents, etc.).
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