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Old 08-08-2013, 03:49 PM
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2 total different situations.
You're right. One situation had a guy entering his prime power years coming off of a time when he had seasons with an OPS of .865, .852, .798, and then a clunker season at .691. In the other situation you have a 32 year old past his prime guy who has put up OPS of .791, .631, .850, and .749 in his time here.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:52 PM
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A salary dump is crazy. This is not a poor team that needs to pay its light bill. What would this money be allocated for? The chance of getting a FA? Considering the state of the club why would a FA come here? Considering the Sox have only overpaid once (Albert Belle) for a FA why would they start now? At the salary level this team will be next year and the future, looking for extra bucks for a guy with value to the team is wrong.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:53 PM
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He has value to the Rangers in the sense that he is marginally better than Craig Gentry. He DOES NOT have value to the White Sox that is even close to $17.5M.

The White Sox win this trade by literally giving him away for nothing and freeing themselves of his contract. If they can get rid of him, their financial obligation for next season will be under $50M, and under $30M for 2015. It will give them the opportunity to have the financial flexibility to rebuild in the next 2 years that they have sorely lacked recently because they have had so many bad contracts.

It will be the best day of the year for the Sox if this happens- regardless if they get a filler prospect from the Rangers or not.
If he's valuable to the Rangers then why should the Sox give him away for nothing? He's arguably the best bat for the Sox so he DOES have value. Maybe not at $17.5M but he does have value for the Sox.

The Sox are not hurting financially and thus not looking to just unload his salary so I don't see how they win by just giving him away.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:55 PM
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The Sox are not hurting financially and thus not looking to just unload his salary so I don't see how they win by just giving him away.
Agreed, if the Rangers don't want to play ball then **** THEM, they can go try and keep pace with Oakland with no replacement for one of their best hitters
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:55 PM
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A salary dump is crazy. This is not a poor team that needs to pay its light bill. What would this money be allocated for? The chance of getting a FA? Considering the state of the club why would a FA come here? Considering the Sox have only overpaid once (Albert Belle) for a FA why would they start now? At the salary level this team will be next year and the future, looking for extra bucks for a guy with value to the team is wrong.
Allocate the money towards scouting and development. No FA nonsense.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:56 PM
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Considering the state of the club why would a FA come here?


Remember when Ivan Rodriguez, arguably the class of the 2003-2004 Free Agent class signed with the Tigers despite them coming off a record-breaking 119-loss season in 2003? It happens.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:57 PM
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Considering the Sox have only overpaid once (Albert Belle) for a FA why would they start now?
They got good value in Dunn's contract?
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:58 PM
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This board has lost its collective mind.
Not the entire board. The folks who understand that all the leverage is on Rick Hahn's side and want something in return for Rios still have their marbles.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:59 PM
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He has value to the Rangers in the sense that he is marginally better than Craig Gentry.
Marginally better than Gentry? Can't agree with that.

Rios is a lot better than Gentry and, more to the point, is the closest match available to replace Nelson Cruz' production.

As for your use of the word "marginally," remember what Inigo Montoya used to say about Vizzini's use of the word "inconceivable:"

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Old 08-08-2013, 03:59 PM
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Allocate the money towards scouting and development. No FA nonsense.

That should be done and should have been done for years. Thats a given if this Rios thing happens or not but I dont see teaching that old dog new tricks.

btw: I didnt see you yesterday, hope you had a good one.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:03 PM
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Allocate the money towards scouting and development. No FA nonsense.
God, please no, this team has way too many holes to fill to fill them all internally.

If you think this year is bad, wait until we get 162 games of Travis Ishikawa at 1st.

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Old 08-08-2013, 04:11 PM
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If they go after any kind of OF, I hope it's Shin-Soo Choo
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:12 PM
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They got good value in Dunn's contract?
I'm not sure how the Sox overpaid for Belle, either. He was only one the best hitters ever who only drove in 152 runs for the Sox in '98, (270 rbis in two years with sox, more than any player in Sox history over two year period), leading the league with an OPS the highest in Sox history by a player not named Frank Thomas.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:15 PM
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They got good value in Dunn's contract?
At the time, yes.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:15 PM
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They got good value in Dunn's contract?
I never read that they overpaid at signing. Hindsight of course is 20/20.
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