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Old 07-19-2013, 11:28 PM
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Because it just draws further attention to his weaknesses. The main goal now is getting the most we can out of these players and developing our young players.
Ventura has no sense of organization.
Not to mention that Konerko has flipped the bat in disgust and jogged towards first on grounders -- many bobbled -- about 60 times since the start of last year. Did Ventura bench him?
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:33 PM
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Not to mention that Konerko has flipped the bat in disgust and jogged towards first on grounders -- many bobbled -- about 60 times since the start of last year. Did Ventura bench him?

AJ walked to 1st on many a grounder hit up the drain pipe to the 2nd baseman throughout his Sox career and never was benched for it.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:37 PM
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Not to mention that Konerko has flipped the bat in disgust and jogged towards first on grounders -- many bobbled -- about 60 times since the start of last year. Did Ventura bench him?
Konerko has been a pouty baby doing that since I can remember. But he gets a pass since he gave Jerry the ball.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:39 PM
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AJ walked to 1st on many a grounder hit up the drain pipe to the 2nd baseman throughout his Sox career and never was benched for it.
Totally or pop up and fling that bat. This IMO is the whole problem with this team from top to bottom. no accountability. Ozzie I think tried to at first, but wasn't backed up on it and just never gave a **** after that like everyone else.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:40 PM
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Not to mention that Konerko has flipped the bat in disgust and jogged towards first on grounders -- many bobbled -- about 60 times since the start of last year. Did Ventura bench him?
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AJ walked to 1st on many a grounder hit up the drain pipe to the 2nd baseman throughout his Sox career and never was benched for it.
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Konerko has been a pouty baby doing that since I can remember. But he gets a pass since he gave Jerry the ball.
AJ and Konerko have done that with the tying or lead run on third base and one out? Are you sure about that? If Rios hustles, the Sox score a run there. Konerko has flipped his bat on flyouts, and AJ was one of the smartest guys to ever play here. Different situations...
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:41 PM
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Where was Ventura and his balls in the first half of the season? Nowhere. So why do it now? The Sox need any bit of leverage they can get right now. Now if another team comes knocking, they are going to say" Well you did have to bench him so maybe he's not worth what your asking".
Every team even thinking about Rios realized he dogged it. If his trade value is lowered, its not because he was benched, it was because he loafed. He missed one at bat. Do you really think that next AB was the one that was going to make a GM say he had to have Rios, and give up whatever it took to get him?
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:43 PM
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Ventura just confirmed that he benched him for not hustling.
If that is true then Ventura is a fool. What was Robin doing the whole first half while this team was terrible. Now, two weeks before the trade deadline he takes our most tradeable position player and decides to make an example out of him with all the scouts watching? Please tell me Robin isn't that dumb. Maybe the Sox are getting close to dealing Rios and this is the cover up in case it falls apart.

Do you believe in coincidences. Rios doesn't just and is yanked the same time as Hanson is?


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Old 07-19-2013, 11:43 PM
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AJ and Konerko have done that with the tying or lead run on third base and one out? Are you sure about that? If Rios hustles, the Sox score a run there. Konerko has flipped his bat on flyouts, and AJ was one of the smartest guys to ever play here. Different situations...
Yes, Sox hitters haven't gone all that hard to first for many years, however, this particular game situation could not be ignored, especially since Ventura has sat a couple of guys recently, Tank included, for boneheaded baseball.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:51 PM
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AJ and Konerko have done that with the tying or lead run on third base and one out? Are you sure about that? If Rios hustles, the Sox score a run there. Konerko has flipped his bat on flyouts, and AJ was one of the smartest guys to ever play here. Different situations...
I didnt watch the game so yes it is different. But what happened to Rios happens a lot when teams are in this situation. Some stay longer on the DL, some get in the buffet line twice, some stay out later, some take less batting practice, some watch less film etc. The Sox just havent been in this situation for awhile, it happens to all at one time or another.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:05 AM
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Do you believe in coincidences. Rios doesn't just and is yanked the same time as Hanson is?


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ON the other hand, Hanson is overpaying a good bit for Rios...Hanson is a top 50 prospect. So it sounds like coincidence.

The front office is probably to blame as well..they know they have an inexperienced amateur in Ventura....they should make some things clear to him.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:07 AM
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I didnt watch the game so yes it is different. But what happened to Rios happens a lot when teams are in this situation. Some stay longer on the DL, some get in the buffet line twice, some stay out later, some take less batting practice, some watch less film etc. The Sox just havent been in this situation for awhile, it happens to all at one time or another.
This is why I don't think getting benched will hurt him (if he isn't going to Pit) is that other teams know that it's a lot harder for Sox players and players for other teams like the Sox right know to play with the same tenacity as with a contender.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:15 AM
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This is why I don't think getting benched will hurt him (if he isn't going to Pit) is that other teams know that it's a lot harder for Sox players and players for other teams like the Sox right know to play with the same tenacity as with a contender.
But just singling him out, may make other teams think this is just the head of the iceberg.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:23 AM
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This is why I don't think getting benched will hurt him (if he isn't going to Pit) is that other teams know that it's a lot harder for Sox players and players for other teams like the Sox right know to play with the same tenacity as with a contender.
I don't think the benching hurts him any more because the book is already out on Rios. Most teams know what they're getting with him.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:31 AM
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AJ and Konerko have done that with the tying or lead run on third base and one out? Are you sure about that? If Rios hustles, the Sox score a run there. Konerko has flipped his bat on flyouts, and AJ was one of the smartest guys to ever play here. Different situations...
Even so. Does it really even matter what the situation. Man up. Back at you. What if they pop up and the fielder drops it, and they get thrown out at first because they were to busy pouting and throwing their bats and trotting to first?
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:33 AM
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But just singling him out, may make other teams think this is just the head of the iceberg.
Exactly. If lack of hustle is the reason Ramirez should of been benched 20 times already this season.
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