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Old 07-13-2013, 09:35 AM
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I hope the return we got for Matt Thornton recalibrates everyone's expectations on what the return will be when the Sox trade Crain. In general, teams aren't willing to part with top prospects for relief pitchers.
Thornton can't get righties out anymore. Crain has been maybe the best reliever in baseball this season.
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Old 07-13-2013, 09:36 AM
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Nah. You could have acquired a lefty specialist in the offseason in the free agent market for 1/2 that salary.
We know how this goes...no one but Rios and Peavy will bring anything....unless we want to trade one of our young, cost controlled pitchers...and we should certainly listen.
Assuming Crain is healthy they will get a much better prospect that Jacobs
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:02 AM
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Based on what???? This site has him as their 36th rated prospect.

http://www.soxprospects.com/moreprospects.htm
BA, but rating doesn't matter. His scouting reports suggest he'll be a fifth outfielder if he makes the show at all.

Gotta love the optimism on by Hahn though.

I wish the team wouldn't flat our lie. You'd think they'd learn after Jeff Marquez that picking up garbage and calling it an asset just serves to piss off the core fan base. If they don't want to be honest, they should just keep quiet.

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Nah. You could have acquired a lefty specialist in the offseason in the free agent market for 1/2 that salary.
We know how this goes...no one but Rios and Peavy will bring anything....unless we want to trade one of our young, cost controlled pitchers...and we should certainly listen.
Unless he starts pitching, I'd assume similar offers for Peavy. He'll probably not get dealt until next year (or possibly in a waiver deal).
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:12 AM
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The one hope we have is Jacobs is 22 and may have a future. Thornton is 37 and doesn't.
Brandon Jacobs may well have a future. In 2012, Baseball Prospectus listed Jacobs as the #2 prospect in the Red Sox system. Jacobs had left hamate bone fracture in 2012 and, perhaps, that slowed his development and accounts for outlets such as Baseball America listing him as the #11 prospect in the Red Sox system in 2013. This article from the Springfield Republican says that Jacobs has had a recent uptick in his play that merited a promotion to AA Portland.

Jacobs does seem to strike out a lot, it's true. But, as the great Jim Palmer observed, you never know when or if a prospect in baseball finally figures it out. Getting an interesting prospect for Matt Thornton at this stage of Thornton's career is fine.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:46 AM
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Some are expecting way too much. The next 3 weeks and maybe longer is salary dump time, plain and simple. You arent going to get silk purses from sows ears.
Yep, this is pretty much a salary dump. I don't have a problem with that either, but I agree we're probably in for more disappointment over the next 3 weeks as the Sox get "not much" for the players they trade away.

Reading these descriptions of Jacobs makes it sound like he'll fit right in the Sox organization.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:48 AM
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Unless he starts pitching, I'd assume similar offers for Peavy. He'll probably not get dealt until next year (or possibly in a waiver deal).
Sure, if he's not pitching. So just hold him til next year, if that's the case. There was no point in holding Thornton until next year; now we could have held him for a few weeks, which, plus the emails, suggests to me we were salary dumping him. But it would be an outrage to salary dump Peavy.

I think Jacobs is a decent pickup anyway. He shares the profile of a lot of our recent high round draft choices, he's young, he's not washed out and he has identifiable baseball skills. He may not amount to anything, but he isn't a Zack Stewart either.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:54 AM
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Thornton can't get righties out anymore. Crain has been maybe the best reliever in baseball this season.
Crain is on the DL and still complaining of shoulder pain. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see the Sox getting a haul as large as many here are expecting. Look at how little the Sox got for Sergio Santos who, when dealt to Toronto, was coming off a great season, was healthy at the time and had just signed a team friendly extension.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:58 AM
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Crain is on the DL and still complaining of shoulder pain. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see the Sox getting a haul as large as many here are expecting. Look at how little the Sox got for Sergio Santos who, when dealt to Toronto, was coming off a great season, was healthy at the time and had just signed a team friendly extension.
Other teams have gotten more than that in trades.
If we go by our trades of the last 4 years, we aren't going to get much of anything for any of our players.
We gave up 2 high end pitching prospects (one ML ready, one not) for 1.5 years of Edwin Jackson and his 5+ Arizona ERA. I expect similar for Peavy, if he gets a couple of starts under his belt.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:07 AM
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So the Sox unloaded Thornton and most of his salary for a guy they might have made a high draft pick, only he's had several years of seasoning in the minors already. That's exactly what they should have done -- try to find someone with a chance at being an impact player 3-4 years from now -- except their track record in evaluating draftees is awful, so chances are he'll amount to nothing.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:09 AM
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The White Sox didn't really have a whole lot of leverage, so I don't mind Hahn rolling the dice on a 23 year old. He is still trying to get his swing back after breaking his Hamate bone in his wrist. Rankings are very subjective and fluid, so I don't want to take too much stock into those.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:15 AM
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So the Sox unloaded Thornton and most of his salary for a guy they might have made a high draft pick, only he's had several years of seasoning in the minors already. That's exactly what they should have done -- try to find someone with a chance at being an impact player 3-4 years from now -- except their track record in evaluating draftees is awful, so chances are he'll amount to nothing.
We don't have 3-4 years unless we're going to put him on our 40 man roster. I believe he's already rule five eligible this December. How long you wanna keep him on the 40 man?
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:28 AM
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We don't have 3-4 years unless we're going to put him on our 40 man roster. I believe he's already rule five eligible this December. How long you wanna keep him on the 40 man?
You are correct, anyone 23 and over in the minors is rule 5 eligible, but I doubt anyone will swipe him in the rule 5 draft, since he really isn't anywhere near Major League ready.
Considering that this is what our 40 man roster looks like (have a puke bag ready), I don't think keeping him there will be a problem, if he makes progress this year.
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:40 AM
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Different take on the trade from Boston writer




http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index...ith_brand.html
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:39 PM
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You are correct, anyone 23 and over in the minors is rule 5 eligible, but I doubt anyone will swipe him in the rule 5 draft, since he really isn't anywhere near Major League ready.
Considering that this is what our 40 man roster looks like (have a puke bag ready), I don't think keeping him there will be a problem, if he makes progress this year.
Yes, but 3-4 years? At some point, you'd hope we'd have legitimate prospects taking up the extra 15 slots. Not guys that spent five years hitting .250 in low minor league ball with little speed or defensive capability. Yeah, this guy had promise. Five years ago. His injury didn't set him back, he's been pretty awful overall.
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:50 PM
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Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I think Jacobs could be a dark horse eventually. As for Thornton, well, it would be nice to see him get a ring. Hate that it has to be with Boston though.
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