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Old 07-02-2013, 11:50 AM
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Would you take the deal with Kolten Wong instead of Taveras?
Probably not.

Taveras is widely regarded as a rare talent and is a year younger. He has more years under his belt in the minors too. Because I view Sale as a 'game-changer', it'd take some type of young/younger 'game-changing' player in return to pry him away. And, since even the best minor leaguers are never a sure thing, I'd need to see more than just that one guy in return.

Of course, again - no way StL would pull the trigger on that. They have no reason to, and they're not idiots. But that's what'd I'd need to see as a return for Sale to be OK with it.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:53 AM
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:56 AM
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Probably not.

Taveras is widely regarded as a rare talent and is a year younger. He has more years under his belt in the minors too. Because I view Sale as a 'game-changer', it'd take some type of young/younger 'game-changing' player in return to pry him away. And, since even the best minor leaguers are never a sure thing, I'd need to see more than just that one guy in return.

Of course, again - no way StL would pull the trigger on that. They have no reason to, and they're not idiots. But that's what'd I'd need to see as a return for Sale to be OK with it.
Do you think Stl would make the deal, if we added Crain to the mix?
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:06 PM
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Not unless we get blown away with an offer.

From a club standpoint, trading Sale would be like the 88 Sox trading Jack McDowell. And Sale already is more accomplished than McDowell was in 88.
I disagree that those are comparable situations. By the time McDowell was as established as Sale, the Sox were competitive and had lots of pieces in place to become very good in a very short amount of time. It's hard to say 1988 McDowell is like Sale at any point--he went 5-10 and spent the entire next year in the minors. When he came back up and established himself as a permanently good starter, the team had Ventura, Fernandez, Thomas later in the year, and a very good group of people around him too.

I would say Sale is about where McDowell was in '91. The '91 Sox vs the '13 Sox is a silly comparison.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:07 PM
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A Cubs fan asked me, would I deal Sale to the North Side for Baez, Rizzo, and Soler.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:12 PM
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Do you think Stl would make the deal, if we added Crain to the mix?
No, I don't.

The benefits of having young players under salary control (especially for St Louis who doesn't really buy out arbitration years) is too valuable for a team like St Louis, who builds primarily from within.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:15 PM
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For the right price, anyone can be moved. It would have to be an amazing deal though.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:25 PM
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My gut reaction is no. Upon thinking about it, only if it's in once-in-a-lifetime deal that will definitely help us out in the long run. Otherwise, I wouldn't trade him just for the sake of trading.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:37 PM
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If it can get us Aikman, Emmitt, and Irvin, then go for it. If it gets us Lillibridge, Flowers, Rodriguez, and Gilmore, then no thanks. Thankfully, it's not my job to predict these things.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:53 PM
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It has to be a monster offer.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:01 PM
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A young controllable ace like Sale is what you want to build around. I don't think the Sox will get a deal that makes sense enough to replace his value.

Anyone else though, by all means. If this team is going to suck this bad, please at least be full of players I've never heard of before.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:27 PM
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:27 PM
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I wouldn't move Sale unless at least one MLB-experienced quality young player were coming back to us.

I'd trade Sale for Harper or Trout, straight up.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:44 PM
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I disagree that those are comparable situations. By the time McDowell was as established as Sale, the Sox were competitive and had lots of pieces in place to become very good in a very short amount of time. It's hard to say 1988 McDowell is like Sale at any point--he went 5-10 and spent the entire next year in the minors. When he came back up and established himself as a permanently good starter, the team had Ventura, Fernandez, Thomas later in the year, and a very good group of people around him too.

I would say Sale is about where McDowell was in '91. The '91 Sox vs the '13 Sox is a silly comparison.
I was looking at this from the club perspective, not the player perspective. I think the 2013 Sox are about where the 88 Sox were. The pieces are different, and at different stages of development, but overall the picture is similar.

It will take two years to overhaul the starting lineup. If we focus on defense and fundamentals, we can be competitive again in 2015, similar to the 1990 Sox.

Given that we can overhaul the starting lineup in two years, it makes perfect sense to keep Sale, just like it made perfect sense to Larry Himes to keep Jack McDowell in 88.

Now we just need to hit home runs on our high draft picks in 2014 and 2015.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:00 PM
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He is not expendable. Very few players are. If the right deal can be made, he should be traded.
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