We are owed an explanation

[tstrike2000]

The explanation we'll get will be taking offers for pretty much every player except for whoever the Sox said, I think Sale and Konerko. Underperformance, bad players, coaching, chemistry, or whatever, we just have to accept at this point that this is what it is. Mentally, this team reminds me a little of 2011. We all of a sudden can't catch the ball and we can't hit the ball. There's blame to be shared from Hahn all the way down. With the team closing in on 50 losses in the first week of July, it's not going to get any better once we trade guys like Jesse Crain. Just hope we get some good return and see what happens in '14.

[mahagga73]

Originally Posted by tstrike2000

The explanation we'll get will be taking offers for pretty much every player except for whoever the Sox said, I think Sale and Konerko. Underperformance, bad players, coaching, chemistry, or whatever, we just have to accept at this point that this is what it is. Mentally, this team reminds me a little of 2011. We all of a sudden can't catch the ball and we can't hit the ball. There's blame to be shared from Hahn all the way down. With the team closing in on 50 losses in the first week of July, it's not going to get any better once we trade guys like Jesse Crain. Just hope we get some good return and see what happens in '14.

They need to change managers too because if they get some new players or youngsters that are going to be part of the solution there is no point keeping a lame duck manager around. I don't think Ventura want's this gig past this year anyway.

[tstrike2000]

Originally Posted by mahagga73

They need to change managers too because if they get some new players or youngsters that are going to be part of the solution there is no point keeping a lame duck manager around. I don't think Ventura want's this gig past this year anyway.

Because Robin is mild mannered, it's hard to tell what he's thinking. Personally, he looks defeated and ready to move on, but who knows.

[canOcorn]

Originally Posted by Domeshot17

The Sox owe us nothing, and we owe them nothing. As much as I love the White Sox, and will never cheer for another team, they are a product that I can choose to enjoy or ignore. Like an expensive car that is a disaster and breaks down all the time, the price they spend means nothing to the fan base. They may as well have a 30 million payroll if this is the results they get. They pay executives a lot of money to find talent and put out a competitive team. Kenny Williams did his job a couple times over his GM tenure and got promoted. Rick Hahn was highly touted, but yet to prove he can find young talent (will take a few years to see the results of this).

For almost 6 years now the White Sox have given us a product that has the talent of a .500 ball club and they hope everything goes right and we sneak into the playoffs.

Until they figure it out, Fans will just continue to ignore them. If Sony kept putting out TV's that were the 10th most expensive in a market of 100 options, and the picture just sucked, year after year, people would stop buying them until Sony proved they could make a good TV. Sony would then have 2 options, sell the ****ty TV for less money, or make a better TV.

The White Sox choose to sell us a ****ty tv for less money this year. Maybe in the future they will figure it out.

Pretty much spot on....JR has made gigantic profits on a yearly basis, let alone considering the profit on his groups initial investment of $30M. He's grown that to $500M+ in 30 years. Actual butts in the seats are just extra bucks in their pocket with the way the TV contracts are these days.

Jerry might put enough into payroll to look like they're being legit, but then they cut everything else to the bare bones. Our MiLB 'organization' is basically clown shoes. I'd be very happy if he just took his profit and went away. Sadly, the Sox are a cash cow and that doesn't look likely.

[TaylorStSox]

Originally Posted by TomBradley72

Any "explanation" would be awkward since it would involve Hahn highlighting the mistakes his boss made- ****ed up, barren farm system, overpriced veteran contracts for Dunn, Danks, etc., weak talent assessment or development (Viciedo, Flowers) and hiring a manager with zero experience at any level.

Like if Hoyer and Epstein were reporting to Hendry.

While not great, the farm system isn't barren and the draft philosophy has been completely overhauled.

Dunn and Danks signed market to below market value deals. Few could have predicted Viciedo was going to regress this much. They had to see what they had in Flowers. If the rest of the lineup was playing to expectations, they could afford to hide him in the lineup or replace him.

Pretty much every move the Sox have made in the last couple years went horribly wrong, but they weren't necessarily bad moves. It sucks that we're in this position, but I'm not mad about the approach of management. I certainly don't expect a ****ing explanation, let alone an apology. I'm a big boy. I can figure it out for myself.

[BainesHOF]

Originally Posted by WLL1855

Seems like everyone wants the manager's head on a stick. How's that going to fix things?

It will help fix things because the managing will improve.

[Brian26]

Originally Posted by Harry Chappas

Don't hold your breath. Unlike the Sox, the Hawks front office isn't going to let this opportunity pass them by. These kids that are sporting Kane jerseys are future season ticket holders. And for the life of me, and can't understand the resentment some feel over the Hawks newfound popularity. As a Sox fan, it's upsetting that the organization failed to capitalize on '05. I couldn't care less if people jumped on the bandwagon. The more the merrier...

No resentment here. Kids don't play hockey here though like they do in Michigan. It's still a niche sport. You have no idea what's going to happen in the future. The '85 Bears only won the title one time. One injury mucks it all up. I am surprised that so many people have a hard time with the concept of cyclical success in sports. It is quite a grand statement though to say hockey will be more popular than baseball. Ain't going to happen. I love the Hawks though.

It's silly to say the Sox are at fault that they couldn't capitalize. They went all-in with Thome and Vazquez in 2006. They won 90 games. It's just some bad luck considering what happened. 2007 was an anomaly because of the injuries. They rebounded in 2008 and could have easily gone to the World Series if Quentin and Crede were healthy. The series with the Rays was winnable. Crap happens. Now they suck again like they did in the late 80s. The bad part is that Frank and Robin are not waiting in the wings.

[WLL1855]

Originally Posted by BainesHOF

It will help fix things because the managing will improve.

You could bring in Sparky Anderson and things wouldn't be any better.

[captain54]

Originally Posted by Brian26

I am surprised that so many people have a hard time with the concept of cyclical success in sports.

It's silly to say the Sox are at fault that they couldn't capitalize. .

This is a major market franchise with money to spend playing in a weak division. For all the breaks that didn't go their way since 06', a lot went their way in 05'. The state of the Sox has more to do with other factors, rather than the baseball Gods smiling or frowning down upon them. Like putting people in positions of authority based upon loyalty rather than performance

This is a lot worse than just the normal cycle of being bad once in a blue moon. This is a deeply flawed organization that got exposed.

[fungo bat]

Yesterday you had no comment as to whether the Sox are buyers or sellers in the marketplace.

Hey Rick, the Sox are 15 games under .500, playing miserable baseball and sitting in last place in the AL Central.

What exactly are you watching? How naive do you think Sox fans are? The Sox as buyers? You have got to be kidding.

You currently own the rights to several players that are attractive to contending teams - guys like Crain, Rios, Thornton, Konerko, Peavy (when he's healthy). The Yankees may even be willing to take Dunn's fat contract off our hands (or at least be willing to pay a portion of it) with the loss of Texiera.

Time to back up the truck and start looking toward the future. Don't try to bull**** us or anyone else. This team is going nowhere. It's time to start listening to any and all offers.

Last week you stated that every player was available with the exception of Sale and Konerko. And now you have no comment regarding whether the Sox are sellers or buyers?

Come on. Get real. Sox fans deserve better than this.

[DrCrawdad]

This article makes it clear to me that Hahn knows what's up with the Sox and that he's ready to deal.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by TaylorStSox

The point is that the team continues to have a high payroll despite struggling to get fans into the park. They don't owe us ****. The players aren't living up their end of the bargain. It's that simple.

Post of the thread. There seems to be a segment of fandom that are adamant in blaming management for the players' subpar play instead of blaming the people most responsible for such.

[LITTLE NELL]

Originally Posted by asindc

Post of the thread. There seems to be a segment of fandom that are adamant in blaming management for the players' subpar play instead of blaming the people most responsible for such.

Good point but when a player is going bad and needs a benching, management has done such a bad job with the farm system that the best we can do when we bring someone up is Jordan Danks and Tyler Greene. when we need a pitcher we get Brian Omogrosso. So sad.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by LITTLE NELL

Good point but when a player is going bad and needs a benching, management has done such a bad job with the farm system that the best we can do when we bring someone up is Jordan Danks and Tyler Greene. when we need a pitcher we get Brian Omogrosso. So sad.

Oh, I wasn't speaking of your posts in particular, but those who blame management for the poor play of Dunn, Alexei, and other veterans who have performed much better in the past and who management had no reason suspect would perform this badly now. Management should be held accountable for things squarely within their control like the farm system and bad trades, but blaming them for underperforming vets is Monday morning QBing. What they do about it is within their control. We will see.

[Frater Perdurabo]

Yes, Hahn definitely should repeatedly announce to the world, in no uncertain terms, that all his trade chips are available to the first bidder, just to satisfy the meatball bloodlust.


Impulsiveness is part of the reason we are where we are now. I hope Hahn is quiet, methodical and thorough.