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Old 06-30-2013, 11:45 AM
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Rios to Pittsburgh makes a ton of sense, but the tricky part is for the Pirates to be able to afford him. If Rios gets traded this season, I would like to see him go to the Pirates. It would be nice to get our hands on one of those early picks, namely Austin Meadows or Reese McGuire.
http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013...rrit-cole.html
I thought you couldn't trade draft picks until one year after they were drafted.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:47 AM
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Turns out you can't trade for June picks. Oh well. I think the Pirates still have plenty of growing talent in that system.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:48 AM
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I thought you couldn't trade draft picks until one year after they were drafted.
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Turns out you can't trade for June picks. Oh well. I think the Pirates still have plenty of growing talent in that system.
Ah...the way to get around this is PTBNL.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:56 AM
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Ah...the way to get around this is PTBNL.
Isn't there a limited window of time before the PTBNL must be named?
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:15 PM
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Isn't there a limited window of time before the PTBNL must be named?
I'm not sure. I just know it's been used to trade people that can't because of draft date.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:19 PM
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I'm not sure. I just know it's been used to trade people that can't because of draft date.
I'm pretty sure a PTBNL hasn't been a player recently drafted. Usually it's a player announced a few weeks or a few months later. I can't recall any trade where it's nearly one year later.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure a PTBNL hasn't been a player recently drafted. Usually it's a player announced a few weeks or a few months later. I can't recall any trade where it's nearly one year later.
Ah you're right. It seems a PTBNL must be sent within 6 months.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:24 PM
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Ah you're right. It seems a PTBNL must be sent within 6 months.
Thanks, didn't know there was an exact rule.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:27 PM
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there's no point in trading veterans for the sake of trading them.
Unless they want to slash salary.
I agree, the prudent thing may be to hold onto some of these guys and dump them next year at this time. Danks would be sold at low ebb, one of the practices that put us into this mess. Unless they want to slash salary
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:38 PM
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I thought you couldn't trade draft picks until one year after they were drafted.
I thought the rule was you can't trade them during the season in which they are drafted rather than a full year, in which case the PTBNL trick would work. However, I wasn't able to find a definitive answer with a quick google search.
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:07 PM
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Konerko's not going to get traded when the Hahn says everyone but Sale and Konerko is available, it probably means that Paul's not going to waive his 10/5 rights. I have a pretty strong feeling that this is his last season and he wants to retire as a member of the White Sox.

Danks is worth holding on to because he's not likely to fetch any return that has any more potential future value than he does, his peripherals so far have been pretty good other than the dramatic increase in HR allowed which is probably just the calling card of a guy who is rebuilding his arm after surgery.

I think there's a chance people expecting the Sox to just gut the team for the sake of gutting it may be in for a bad surprise, the Sox are in the driver's seat with most of their more tradeable players; Peavy, Rios, and Alexei all have deals that go through the 2014 year, and the Sox don't exactly have a plethora of young kids in AA and AAA knocking on the door of the Majors, there's no point in trading veterans for the sake of trading them.
I have a feeling there will be a mandate to dump at least some $$$. Management sees the attendance and isn't going to want to take a bath paying for salary $$$ with reduced revenue coming in. If 2014 is a rebuilding year, they'll also want to get the payroll well under $90-100 million. Konerko and Floyd coming off puts you below $100 million, barring any other raises. If we're able to dump Rios and Dunn, there is another $20-30 million there depending on what we'd have to eat on Dunn. Then you start looking at Peavy, Ramirez, Crain, and Thornton and a lot of $$$ are freed up.
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:33 PM
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I certainly hope not because eating some Rios and Peavy salary is going to be critical in getting a quality return for those players.
And dealing with a team like the Pirates, who need a Rios, likely will require some salary eating to get good prospects, of which they have several.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:32 PM
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I certainly hope not because eating some Rios and Peavy salary is going to be critical in getting a quality return for those players.
And dealing with a team like the Pirates, who need a Rios, likely will require some salary eating to get good prospects, of which they have several.
I doubt it. Both of those deals are pretty team friendly.
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
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I doubt it. Both of those deals are pretty team friendly.
If we can essentially use some of these deals to buy extra prospects off teams willing to part with them, I'm all for it.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
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I doubt it. Both of those deals are pretty team friendly.
Not according to the Pirates' MO. Their highest paid player is at 7 million, and their payroll is already some 40% higher than last year. Of course, paying to get over .500 and paying to win a World Series are two completely different circumstances.
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