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Old 06-29-2013, 08:54 AM
TomBradley72 TomBradley72 is offline
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Default Is It Time to Fire Robin Ventura?

This is team plays in a "fog", ongoing mental and fundamental mistakes across the board- Viciedo, De Aza, Beckham, Ramirez, Flowers,etc. Three players run through the 3rd base coach yesterday- no consequences.

More injuries than usual this year, and players are always accountable- but this is approaching "Bevington" territory- and Robin does not seem to be in control.

He's one of my all time favorite Sox players- and even without experience- I thought he would be a good manager- but this is a disaster.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:14 AM
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This is team plays in a "fog", ongoing mental and fundamental mistakes across the board- Viciedo, De Aza, Beckham, Ramirez, Flowers,etc. Three players run through the 3rd base coach yesterday- no consequences.

More injuries than usual this year, and players are always accountable- but this is approaching "Bevington" territory- and Robin does not seem to be in control.

He's one of my all time favorite Sox players- and even without experience- I thought he would be a good manager- but this is a disaster.
I'm emotionally torn. Robin is also one of my favorites, but I do believe he last lost control of the team. What has steered me towards this is that there are NO repercussions for the daily bonehead mistakes being made. It make me wonder how much Ventura is actually in control.

So I guess I would answer yes. He should go. Along with many others. But the big question is who would replace him? Who would want to take on this disaster?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:22 AM
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I'm emotionally torn. Robin is also one of my favorites, but I do believe he last lost control of the team. What has steered me towards this is that there are NO repercussions for the daily bonehead mistakes being made. It make me wonder how much Ventura is actually in control.

So I guess I would answer yes. He should go. Along with many others. But the big question is who would replace him? Who would want to take on this disaster?
I think you go stop gap for this year- then a real/comprehensive search in the offseason- Daryl Boston?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:23 AM
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Let him walk on his own after season end.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:38 AM
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Let him walk on his own after season end.
I agree. Robin is a fan favorite former player and he inherited a lot of problems.

However, the points made above about lack of discipline are his problems and he's proven that he is or was not ready for the challenge of managing a major league team.

It's these type of fundamentals that managers learn in the minor leagues. I have never bought into the "million dollar athletes/professionals kid gloves" treatment. Their salary and contract has nothing to do with executing fundamentals.

I think Robin should scare them...



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Old 06-29-2013, 09:42 AM
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Well, if they fire him, maybe it fires up the team for a few weeks, but this team isn't going anywhere this season anyway. I think it would amount to change for the sake of change, not with any particular goal in mind.

Let him finish out the season and then start another managerial search.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:53 AM
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This is also just a pretty ****ty team with a couple of players compounding the madness by having career bad years.

So that would be 1 successful year and now 1 bad year. Next year is the final year of his contract. I say let that be his job audition for 2015 and beyond.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:55 AM
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Fire him he lost control last year when they needed a manager typical Williams move we bring a explayer to please the fans there were good managers available we go cheap kw will probably blame us fans for not showing up I can't wait to blow this disaster up maybe then will bring up some kids who want to play and get a manger to teach them discipline
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:56 AM
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He deserves to be fired (arguably he deserved to be fired after last year's collapse).
But I wouldn't fire him now. Just don't bring him back.
And please don't replace him with another house-horse.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:01 AM
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I wouldn't mind if Mark Parent took over the rest of the season as an interim. This season is over, so it would give Hahn a sense of what he's dealing with.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:02 AM
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Who would want to take on this disaster?
Hmmm, taking on a disaster.....Is Tim Floyd available? In the same vein, Robin's situation is roughly analogous to that of Jerry Sloan with the Bulls. So he may go on to be a managerial great.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:03 AM
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Anyone who has watched this team knows Ventura should be fired. There is no baseball argument to keep him. I've never seen a White Sox team play the game this poorly.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:07 AM
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He's not blameless, but way down on the blame list, below these problems:

1. A decade of generally player drafting and development;

2. Meager results from a decade of international signings (Iguchi, Alexei and Viciedo are the best we've done);

3. Going "all in" in 2011, with core players having career worst years, and Ozzie quitting mentally early on when the season remained salvageable;

4. A series of trades that further depleted talent and yielded mediocre returns;

5. An organizational culture that privileges loyalty over performance excellence, and seems to be behind other teams with the use of data analytics.

All of these things create a climate in which very few managers could succeed.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:14 AM
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Is anyone all that surprised that a guy who had no previous managing experience in any capacity who didn't even seek out the job is doing poorly?
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:18 AM
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He should be shown the door - but only under the following condition:

Either Terry Bevington or Max Patkin is hired as his replacement, and the organ music is replaced with a tape loop of calliope music.

Otherwise keep him.
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