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Old 05-31-2013, 11:11 AM
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Albatross contract and albatross player equal no real options. Unfortunately, we just have to ride it out and have it go down in Sox history as the worst dollar for value signing we've ever had.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:19 AM
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This is depressing. All these reasons why the earth will fall of its axis if Dunn is released. Can we at least bench him? Or like The Immigrant says at least bench him against lefties?
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:05 PM
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They aren't going to release him. Forget about it. They do need to decrease his at-bats, IMO. I see two ways to do that. Both are reasonable:

Bench him against lefties. Bat him seventh or eighth against righties.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:42 PM
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They aren't going to release him. Forget about it. They do need to decrease his at-bats, IMO. I see two ways to do that. Both are reasonable:

Bench him against lefties. Bat him seventh or eighth against righties.
I would agree with this. I don't see any reason to bat him 3rd, 4th or 5th until he shows he can fill that role. He did have a little stretch where he was great, so he still has it in him if he can find that stroke. But, let's face it, we were giddy when he hit .204 with an .800 OPS while having to sit out the last day of the season to avoid setting a new strikeout record last year. If that was considered good, he shouldn't be in the top half of a line up ever.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:45 PM
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Since we're not competing, releasing him wouldn't make sense. As his contract nears it's finish, if he gets hot enough, we might be able to get something for him.

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Old 05-31-2013, 12:54 PM
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Not with his contract. It wouldn't just be bad business for us. It would be bad for baseball. Suddenly, the days of large guaranteed contracts would be put at risk. As much as I'd like to see a salary cap in MLB, one of the attractions for teams in the long run is that they get fans to come out and see their stars produce for an extended period. Dunn should not be the player to ruin it for everyone. Believe it or not, most players are serviceable at worst for contracts like these. Has Soriano lived up to his deal every year with the Cubs? No. His defense has left something to be desired in years past. Still, most would love to have him on their team. The Cubs have been rather lucky to have him all this time.

If Adam Dunn is the reason blockbuster deals can't be played out anymore, I fear for the future of this game.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:56 PM
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Not with his contract. It wouldn't just be bad business for us. It would be bad for baseball. Suddenly, the days of large guaranteed contracts would be put at risk. As much as I'd like to see a salary cap in MLB, one of the attractions for teams in the long run is that they get fans to come out and see their stars produce for an extended period. Dunn should not be the player to ruin it for everyone. Believe it or not, most players are serviceable at worst for contracts like these. Has Soriano lived up to his deal every year with the Cubs? No. His defense has left something to be desired in years past. Still, most would love to have him on their team. The Cubs have been rather lucky to have him all this time.

If Adam Dunn is the reason blockbuster deals can't be played out anymore, I fear for the future of this game.
If Adam Dunn should happen to get released I predict baseball will survive just fine.
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Old 05-31-2013, 01:06 PM
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2+ full seasons-

His "career" stats with the White Sox- .180 batting average, .305 OBP, .690 OPS, with 468 K's in 1124 ABs.

.159 BA in May- other than April/May 2012, no other months where he has hit > .204.

He's black hole in the middle of the line up- significant "addition by subtraction"- replace him with Keppinger as DH when Beckham returns or DH Viciedo and call up Danks.

I doubt Ventura, Hahn and KW have the stones to do it- but its time.

(it's also time to replace Flowers with Phegley, and Wise with Danks- too much dead weight on this roster)-


Shake it up.

Ok, sometimes you have to be a prick and say what needs to be said. EASY OUT !!! Unfortunately that out is coming from the batter that should be the most feared in the whole line up, historically speaking.

K's around 40% of the time. The damn ball is not even in play to move a runner in any way.. Ok. I'll take if the other 60% of the time he jacked one, or put the ball in play, but I dont think he's clubbed 600 home runs over the same time period,nor hit for average.

Sit Him... There comes a point where oppourtunity has been given to work on the art you were so blessed to compete with. As with any type of competancy for any skill in any position in life where the functioning of an organization is dependent on your best efforts, if you cant attain those, someone, even with a modest improvement, should replace you.

This signing has been a total bust. An "historically" total bust.


Anyone here have any rays of "Dunnshine" that he turns this thing around?


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Old 05-31-2013, 01:58 PM
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They aren't going to release him. Forget about it. They do need to decrease his at-bats, IMO. I see two ways to do that. Both are reasonable:

Bench him against lefties. Bat him seventh or eighth against righties.
Right, do SOMETHING! This would make a difference to me (the casual fan) because it would at least show that they care. Right now all they do is tip the cap...I'm sick of it...try something.
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Ok, sometimes you have to be a prick and say what needs to be said. EASY OUT !!! Unfortunately that out is coming from the batter that should be the most feared in the whole line up, historically speaking.

K's around 40% of the time. The damn ball is not even in play to move a runner in any way.. Ok. I'll take if the other 60% of the time he jacked one, or put the ball in play, but I dont think he's clubbed 600 home runs over the same time period,nor hit for average.

Sit Him... There comes a point where oppourtunity has been given to work on the art you were so blessed to compete with. As with any type of competancy for any skill in any position in life where the functioning of an organization is dependent on your best efforts, if you cant attain those, someone, even with a modest improvement, should replace you.

This signing has been a total bust. An "historically" total bust.


Anyone here have any rays of "Dunnshine" that he turns this thing around?


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Ok, sometimes you have to be a prick and say what needs to be said. EASY OUT !!! Unfortunately that out is coming from the batter that should be the most feared in the whole line up, historically speaking.


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Old 05-31-2013, 03:11 PM
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Not with his contract. It wouldn't just be bad business for us. It would be bad for baseball. Suddenly, the days of large guaranteed contracts would be put at risk. As much as I'd like to see a salary cap in MLB, one of the attractions for teams in the long run is that they get fans to come out and see their stars produce for an extended period. Dunn should not be the player to ruin it for everyone. Believe it or not, most players are serviceable at worst for contracts like these. Has Soriano lived up to his deal every year with the Cubs? No. His defense has left something to be desired in years past. Still, most would love to have him on their team. The Cubs have been rather lucky to have him all this time.

If Adam Dunn is the reason blockbuster deals can't be played out anymore, I fear for the future of this game.
So no former star player has ever been released in the middle of a contract before? That's a ridiculous thought.

If a guy with a 4 year medium sized contract gets released in year 3 of that contract after being historically bad since signing the deal, you think that will be the end of long term contracts? What trend do you see this triggering? Teams won't sign players? Players won't sign with teams? Teams will just start releasing guys willy-nilly? I'm not following you here.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:30 PM
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So no former star player has ever been released in the middle of a contract before? That's a ridiculous thought.

If a guy with a 4 year medium sized contract gets released in year 3 of that contract after being historically bad since signing the deal, you think that will be the end of long term contracts? What trend do you see this triggering? Teams won't sign players? Players won't sign with teams? Teams will just start releasing guys willy-nilly? I'm not following you here.
Name the last Sox player released in the middle of a 4 year contract.

Heck, name the last "star" player to get released in the middle of their contract. This isn't football.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:36 PM
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Name the last Sox player released in the middle of a 4 year contract.

Heck, name the last "star" player to get released in the middle of their contract. This isn't football.
Right - guys don't get released like that in the guaranteed contract land of baseball. They either keep playing and getting peddled to other teams, or they languish on the bench til some desperate team needs a replacement because of injury.

These release things are as silly as the cried for DFA'ing everyone the past few years. Popular sentiment around these parts.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:46 PM
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Name the last Sox player released in the middle of a 4 year contract.

Heck, name the last "star" player to get released in the middle of their contract. This isn't football.
The only guy I can come up with, and this is not even remotely close in magnitude, is/was Royce Clayton.
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