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Old 05-24-2013, 02:39 PM
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I just hope that the bullpen is well rested, as I assume Danks will be on a strict pitch count and of course, come out even earlier if he is ineffective.

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Ventura said in the postgame comments the other night that he expects a perfect game from Danks, and since he tracks things more closely than you do, and since Cooper sits on the bench by him and has more input about it than you too, you have no ground to stand on (other than the general history of all pitchers ever coming back from injury and surgery) to suggest that he might be watched closely and might struggle.

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Old 05-24-2013, 02:46 PM
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Obviously. My opinion, of course, is shared by arguably the best pitching coach in Major League baseball and the best training staff in Major League baseball. Yours is shared by randos on the internet.

I'm going to just mark that down 2-0 me.

So you've discussed this with Cooper? Or are you just making an assumption, to support your opinion which you then declare as fact. And I'm marking it 2-0 me. But I guess that's my point.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:47 PM
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I just hope that the bullpen is well rested, as I assume Danks will be on a strict pitch count and of course, come out even earlier if he is ineffective.

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Luckily pitching against the Marlins I think qualifies as another minor league rehab start.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:51 PM
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So you've discussed this with Cooper? Or are you just making an assumption, to support your opinion which you then declare as fact. And I'm marking it 2-0 me. But I guess that's my point.
I don't have any specific opinion on whether or not John Danks should start tonight. I'm not a god damn pitching coach, athletic trainer, or arthroscopic surgeon. I have no expertise to offer in any of this discussion. All I can tell you is that for years now, the Sox have had probably the best pitcher's coaching staff and trainers in baseball, so whatever decision they come to is, in my mind, the correct one. If they would have started John as the longman in the bullpen, I would have agreed with that move, too, it makes perfect sense to me. But they didn't. They want him to start. That's fine; they have an outstanding track record and have earned my trust.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:21 PM
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Danks has been missing for a while which often inflates a player's value. But let's not forget this is a career sub .500 pitcher w an ERA over 4. He certainly adds depth to the staff, but in the end he is a left-handed Gavin Floyd. Little better ERA but still a .500 pitcher.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:28 PM
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Danks has been missing for a while which often inflates a player's value. But let's not forget this is a career sub .500 pitcher w an ERA over 4. He certainly adds depth to the staff, but in the end he is a left-handed Gavin Floyd. Little better ERA but still a .500 pitcher.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:02 PM
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It figures that the Sox, thanks to Mr. Danks, got burned twice by a guy named Navarro. Brings back bad memories from about 15 years ago when a pitcher by the same name signed for a big contract and became one of the more disliked Sox players in the history of the franchise.

Ugh! He just hit his third dinger of the day to put this one out of reach ...
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:33 PM
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Coop has an exceptional track record, but for the second year in a row, the question begs if he's got too much power with the current big league staff.

It's almost like he's the manager of the pitchers, and Robin is the manager of the rest of the team.

He's certainly an asset to the organization, but sometimes other voices should be heard. Longterm injuries to Danks and Floyd are turning into substantial black marks on his record, and the club took a risk signing both to such large contracts. I just hope he can keep Sale together the next few seasons.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:43 PM
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He's certainly an asset to the organization, but sometimes other voices should be heard. Longterm injuries to Danks and Floyd are turning into substantial black marks on his record, and the club took a risk signing both to such large contracts. I just hope he can keep Sale together the next few seasons.
This statement is absolutely ridiculous. The Sox have, by a wide margin, the very best record of player health in the Majors.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:00 PM
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This statement is absolutely ridiculous. The Sox have, by a wide margin, the very best record of player health in the Majors.
I think this has been largely the function of Cooper and Herm being the best at their jobs. But I also think the Sox generally have had good luck, but that luck may have turned somewhat, considering the somewhat freakish injuries to Peavy, Danks, and now Floyd, during the past few years. Nevertheless, I don't hold those injuries against Cooper and Herm.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:42 PM
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I agree with your points. Luck can be a bitch and it seems to be evening out. The problem with the Sox is that when injuries do happen, it destroys seasons (i.e. 2001, 2004, 2010) because they have nothing in the minors to step in and perform and often are leveraged to the hilt financially so it's hard to get the top of the line impact player teams out of contention might be willing to deal.

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Old 05-29-2013, 11:49 PM
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I agree with your points. Luck can be a bitch and it seems to be evening out. The problem with the Sox is that when injuries do happen, it destroys seasons (i.e. 2001, 2004, 2010) because they have nothing in the minors to step in and perform and often are leveraged to the hilt financially so it's hard to get the top of the line impact player teams out of contention might be willing to deal.

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I think this has been largely the function of Cooper and Herm being the best at their jobs. But I also think the Sox generally have had good luck, but that luck may have turned somewhat, considering the somewhat freakish injuries to Peavy, Danks, and now Floyd, during the past few years. Nevertheless, I don't hold those injuries against Cooper and Herm.
Luck is absolutely involved, but there aren't any teams that are even close to us in terms of keeping players, especially pitchers, healthy.
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Luck is absolutely involved, but there aren't any teams that are even close to us in terms of keeping players, especially pitchers, healthy.
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