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Old 05-14-2013, 12:45 AM
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Hawk is going to have an angry rant real soon. You can tell on the broadcast.

He finally snapped in 2007 when the Sox got embarrassed at home in a double header against the Twins. I think the first game was like 18-14 or something and then they got beat 12-0 the second game. I clearly remember him saying that it was the worst performance he's ever seen in any league from minor league all the way up.

Back to this year....its all been said I think. Horrendous offense, defense, and everything except starting pitching and Reed.

Its sad that on May 13th I don't get upset when they lose because it doesn't seem to matter. Really depressing.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:57 AM
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The real problem was Gillaspie swinging like an idiot obsessed with getting his ugly mug on ESPN on the first pitch right after Dunn walked on four straight pitches.
Isn't there a sense in the dugout in such situations to make the guy throw strikes and be patient?
Or is that just neither an organizational or dugout consideration? We're so bad in that regard I really wonder if they talk about it at all.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:06 AM
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Ventura has done a lot for the organization so he doesn't deserve to be fired, but the manager of this team deserves to be fired.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:06 AM
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Robin kind of implied a change could be coming in his postgame remarks.

We shall see.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:21 AM
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Its sad that on May 13th I don't get upset when they lose because it doesn't seem to matter. Really depressing.
Shingo:

Agreed...you wait all winter for the games to start and what they mean to you (memories of teams / games past, summer days and nights etc...) and then this happens.

Just makes the summer seem, not worthless but far less that it could be or should be.

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JB: De Aza also decided to make a throw to 3rd base for some bizarre reason which allowed Morneau to move into second base where he scored easily on a hit. That's not a physical error but a really, really stupid mental one...something the Sox have been guilty of for a long, long time. Just baseball dumb players the past few years. And naturally nothing is done about it...guys aren't waived, guys aren't benched, guys aren't fined...nothing is done.

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Old 05-14-2013, 06:19 AM
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1) Does anybody know why Konerko was not in the lineup tonight?
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2) If the White Sox offered Done, Greene, Keppinger and Wells in a trade, does anybody think they could get one decent player in return for these guys? When you have these 4 guys in our everyday lineup, does anybody really think this team can contend this year? Even if John Danks and Beckham come back and produce for this team, the team is still missing a few things.
Tribune said it was a scheduled day off.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:20 AM
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[QUOTE=Golden Sox;3051320]1) Does anybody know why Konerko was not in the lineup tonight?

Tribune said it was a scheduled day off.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:11 AM
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Well, the night was a double dip of ineptitude for me, with the 2013 Sox being the 2013 Sox and the Caps being the Game 7 Caps. At least we are not Maple Leafs fans this morning.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:59 AM
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They are now worse than the Cubs in winning %. We are still better than Toronto though.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:34 AM
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The overdue rebuild is inevitable.
Cue the "we can't do a full rebuild" crew.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:25 AM
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Ventura has done a lot for the organization so he doesn't deserve to be fired, but the manager of this team deserves to be fired.
Isn't that kind of the problem, though? Robin's done so much, Harold's done so much and on and on.
Reward them in ways other than the field jobs.
Indeed, when the team plays poorly and without focus, the coach is usually held responsible.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:06 AM
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Shingo:

Agreed...you wait all winter for the games to start and what they mean to you (memories of teams / games past, summer days and nights etc...) and then this happens.

Just makes the summer seem, not worthless but far less that it could be or should be.

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JB: De Aza also decided to make a throw to 3rd base for some bizarre reason which allowed Morneau to move into second base where he scored easily on a hit. That's not a physical error but a really, really stupid mental one...something the Sox have been guilty of for a long, long time. Just baseball dumb players the past few years. And naturally nothing is done about it...guys aren't waived, guys aren't benched, guys aren't fined...nothing is done.

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De Aza has been on of the more maddening Sox players this year. He has picked it up offensively lately but his outfield play both in LF and CF have been terrible. Missing cutoff men, misplaying the angles on balls off the wall, etc. Some of his ABs this year have been downright atrocious almost as if he is mailing it in by lunging at a pitch above his head or in the dirt. Alejandro has 45Ks already this year (he had 109 all of last season) and because of the high K rate, his OBP has dropped over 60 points. This is not acceptable for a leadoff man. Like many of the Sox slumps, it is hard to put a finger on what has changed. Is there a book on De Aza now from an advanced scouting standpoint and he hasn't adjusted? Has he lost his edge a bit because he finally got his arbitration raise? Maybe we just got a career year out of him last year and this is who he really is. I hope that is not the case because CF and leadoff man is a tough spot to fill but you simply cannot have your leadoff man strikeout at an Adam Dunn clip while having an OBP under .300.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:13 AM
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The truly unfair thing is guys like De Aza, who never belonged in a major league lineup to begin with, get called out for not producing or making errors.

He is who he is. His swing is long because he doesn't have the tools necessary to hit another way. He's adequate defensively, but a better corner option. Yeah, he produced for a stretch despite it. But the league caught up. It's not his fault expectations are unreasonable in regards to him. Blame the general manager for not noticing and addressing it. The guy is a fourth outfielder, always has been.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:15 AM
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Cue the "we can't do a full rebuild" crew.
Exactly. It is a sad state of affairs when die hard White Sox fans are having problems being able to sit through games, even decent performances.

This is a team without heart and sadly without much talent.
It is loaded with aging vets that have financial security and contracts so big that they MUST be played, regardless of results.

Usually, it is the WORST teams that combine crappy young players with veterans past their primes, playing out the string.

In this case, those terrible vets were added to actually ANCHOR the roster, and at a high price tag. At this point, they should just purge the roster to ANY bidder, take what they can get, and hope they figure out how to draft talent.

I see a LONG rebuild ahead.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:19 AM
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That said, THANK GOD they caught lightning in a bottle one season and have a championship banner hanging.

It makes what's coming a little more bearable.

The Sox are the family that draws out of its IRA to buy nice automobiles.
At some point, the well runs dry and nothing remains but a couple of fully depreciated assets.

It's time to eat ramen noodles, Sox fans.
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