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Old 05-05-2013, 01:58 PM
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I think this thread reached a tipping point when Viciedo was called the least productive player in the Majors last year
Viciedo had the third lowest OBP for all left fielders in baseball last year. Bland may be stretching a bit, but it's not as much as you think it is.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:00 PM
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Also, Paulie has 10-5 rights. What makes you think he would consent to a trade? And what team would have traded for him, to which he would consent to go? It's all well and good to say "trade someone" in theory, but it's much more complicated than that.

The bottom line is that very few foresaw this level of hitting ineptitude and this number of injuries.

This team's record would be reversed if not for injuries and historically bad hitting.
I'm not saying replace Paulie, but understand you need to get hitting elsewhere.

Most people saw this happening. Just not many on this board or with the club.

I don't understand your last statement. Historically bad hitting is not a plight that's befallen hitters undeserving. We have a historically bad offense made up of some really bad hitters with poor approaches.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:01 PM
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Also, Paulie has 10-5 rights. What makes you think he would consent to a trade? And what team would have traded for him, to which he would consent to go? It's all well and good to say "trade someone" in theory, but it's much more complicated than that.

The bottom line is that very few foresaw this level of hitting ineptitude and this number of injuries.

This team's record would be reversed if not for injuries and historically bad hitting.
Who out there though this offense would be good? It was a lot of wishing and hoping outside of Alex Rios (who's history of sucking every other year was no sure thing) and Konerko
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:01 PM
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I'm sure he would have gotten something, especially if we ate salary.

If you remember right, no one wanted to believe Danks wouldn't be ready for the start of the season (so many ridiculous arguments about this). So if Floyd was traded, 99% of people would have said "no problem, Danks is replacing him in the rotation".
JR never would have approved eating salary just to dump the player who handed him the ball from the final out of the World Series. When has he ever approved eating salary?

Even if Danks was 100 healthy on opening day and the Sox dealt Floyd, Sox fans would have questioned Hahn entrusting the back end of the rotation to Quintana, Santiago and/or Axelrod.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:03 PM
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JR never would have approved eating salary just to dump the player who handed him the ball from the final out of the World Series. When has he ever approved eating salary?

Even if Danks was 100 healthy on opening day and the Sox dealt Floyd, Sox fans would have questioned Hahn entrusting the back end of the rotation to Quintana, Santiago and/or Axelrod.
that's what he did anyway
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:03 PM
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Viciedo had the third lowest OBP for all left fielders in baseball last year. Bland may be stretching a bit, but it's not as much as you think it is.
And only one, Alfonso Soriano, was a regular player.

Seriously, Viciedo was NOT good last year. If you want to believe he has potential, that's your decision. But you can't say he had a good year last year when he was among the worst in baseball. Sorry. That's not going to fly.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:05 PM
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Most publications chose Francoeur, but Viciedo was routinely one of the five finalists. so yourself
So you're telling me you would have rather have the likes of Brian Bogusevic play 150 games in the outfield? How about Andres Torres? Wait, don't tell me, Nyjer Morgan?

That statement is so laughable it almost makes me angry. I can't even think of anything to say to reflect how asinine you sound. You always back up your statements so well, show me any respected publication that named Viciedo as one of the 5 worst players in baseball.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:05 PM
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I've already said the Sox should have kept AJ.

What other specific moves could the Sox have made to improve the offense that:

1. Would not have required JR approving a significant payroll increase, and

2. Would not have weakened the rotation and/or bullpen?
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:06 PM
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And only one, Alfonso Soriano, was a regular player.

Seriously, Viciedo was NOT good last year. If you want to believe he has potential, that's your decision. But you can't say he had a good year last year when he was among the worst in baseball. Sorry. That's not going to fly.
I agree the only thing Viciedo did last year was hit mistakes over the wall. I wasn't ready to throw in the towel with him, but I was getting there before the injury this year.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:07 PM
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that's what he did anyway
Yes, due to injuries to Danks and Floyd.

And besides, those three have been excellent.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:08 PM
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I've already said the Sox should have kept AJ.

What other specific moves could the Sox have made to improve the offense that:

1. Would not have required JR approving a significant payroll increase, and

2. Would not have weakened the rotation and/or bullpen?
Not resign Peavy and instead pick up offense. There was plenty on the market this offseason.

Or....blow it up.

It looks like he's going to have to anyway. So any argument that he couldn't really isn't an argument at all.
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I've already said the Sox should have kept AJ.

What other specific moves could the Sox have made to improve the offense that:

1. Would not have required JR approving a significant payroll increase, and

2. Would not have weakened the rotation and/or bullpen?
I think the GM needs to pick a lane and not get caught in between. This rotation when healthy ranks up there with the best in baseball, but this offense on paper was really bad before the season started.

It looks like this team will eventually be blown up, but my fear is it will happen two years later than it should.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:09 PM
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Not resign Peavy and instead pick up offense. There was plenty on the market this offseason.

Or....blow it up.

It looks like he's going to have to anyway. So any argument that he couldn't really isn't an argument at all.
What, like Josh Hamilton?
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:11 PM
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I think the GM needs to pick a lane and not get caught in between. This rotation when healthy ranks up there with the best in baseball, but this offense on paper was really bad before the season started.
Does it really though? There's some really good rotations out there. It might be third best in the AL Central alone.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:12 PM
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What, like Josh Hamilton?
Lots of players signed for something we could have afforded. Michael Bourne, who I pined for all offseason, comes to mind.
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