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Old 04-30-2013, 08:59 PM
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Default The fall of the defense

It just amazes me how one of the most defensively proficient teams in the history of the franchise could suddenly turn into the laughable bunch we're seeing right now. Everyone from the rookies to the newbies to the veterans are making mistakes uncharacteristic to the last bunch. I wasn't expecting them to repeat 2012 in that regard, but how could they take such a nosedive so quickly? At the very least, I thought they'd remain above average. It's hard to believe we're seeing a lot of the same players. They better straighten up over the final five months or we're going to see a lot more games lost this way. I'll deal with the ****ty offense. Just get the defense back in order.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:10 PM
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Tyler Greene at 3rd, Conor at 2nd, Alejandro playing left, and T-Flo and Gimenez catching. This isn't the same 2012 defense.

EDIT: I forgot, Dunn's playing 1st.

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Old 04-30-2013, 09:23 PM
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DeAza has looked inept out in left tonight.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:38 PM
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Yeah, this team is bad.
Let us hope that Hahn knows how to leverage veterans into good prospects.

Consider it a "Reverse Williams Maneuver".
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:43 PM
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Is there a correlation between defensive performance in year x and defensive performance in year x+1? There might not be.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:44 PM
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This team/organization just looks sloppy all around. Sloppy defense on the field just fits with everything else. It really makes me wonder if the guys in charge really know what they're doing to let this franchise fall to such an inept level.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:53 PM
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This team/organization just looks sloppy all around. Sloppy defense on the field just fits with everything else. It really makes me wonder if the guys in charge really know what they're doing to let this franchise fall to such an inept level.
Well, assuming Hahn has total control over personnel choices, he has to clean up the mess left behind by Kenny and that wasn't going to happen overnight or during one off season. If Kenny still has a lot of say in personnel moves though, the White Sox might be in a LOT trouble.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:29 PM
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Also don't underestimate the players in this. They might have simply eased off things, not staying mentally sharp, that turn into physical ones.

In 1995 Robin and the Sox got off to a horrid start defensively, in fact they had a bad strike shortened season.

Years later both Robin and Alex Fernandez admitted that mentally they just weren't into things.

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Also don't underestimate the players in this. They might have simply eased off things, not staying mentally sharp, that turn into physical ones.

In 1995 Robin and the Sox got off to a horrid start defensively, in fact they had a bad strike shortened season.

Years later both Robin and Alex Fernandez admitted that mentally they just weren't into things.

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Also don't underestimate the players in this. They might have simply eased off things, not staying mentally sharp, that turn into physical ones.

In 1995 Robin and the Sox got off to a horrid start defensively, in fact they had a bad strike shortened season.

Years later both Robin and Alex Fernandez admitted that mentally they just weren't into things.

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I suppose I could blame the coaches for moving him to LF, but that's about it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:58 AM
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I remember late last year when De Aza chose to play left rather than center. This year a starting cfer shouldnt be playing left while AAAA guys are playing center. But I think its his choice.
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:47 AM
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Yeah, I don't know that I can blame the coaches for De Aza looking like **** in left field.
It looks to me like DeAza is playing hurt. He seems to be favoring one leg when he runs -- not limping exactly but favoring one leg.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:04 AM
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DeAza is a 4th/5th OF on a good team- average everything on defense, no plus skills other than speed.

TCM seems to be playing "sleepy" to me.

Dunn is a downgrade from PK, PK is aging.

Flowers is nothing special.

Gillaspie/Koeppinger are stop gaps for the hole at 3rd since Crede left.

Beckham is sorely missed on defense.

A very blah team- back up the truck.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:07 AM
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De Aza has never been a good defender and I'm not sure why he ever had that reputation. Last night, he got one of the worst breaks on a ball I've seen in a long time (breaking in on an absolute rocket). The rest of the defensive lapses I saw last night were from back ups or guys playing out of position.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:42 AM
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The team being fielded right now, with all of the injuries and old players is the worst Sox team I've seen since the 1987-1989 teams.

It's sucks but it's the nature of pro sports. The build up, the success and then the slow decline.

We're in the decline and could be here for a couple of years.
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