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Old 04-26-2013, 05:15 AM
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The Sox have the pitching to compete in the American League. They'd win more games with just average offensive production.

Tonight, they got average offensive production. And they won.
I have to wonder how long the Sox will go before doing something about the catching position. Tyler Flowers is a decent defensive catcher and can hit the occasional homer but pitchers really seem to have his number, especially with any halfway decent type of breaking pitches.

Anyway, this was a good game tonight and it's nice to say

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Old 04-26-2013, 08:25 AM
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Off-topic: I actually had no idea that last night was the NFL draft until I turned on the radio this morning.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:55 AM
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The Sox have the pitching to compete in the American League. They'd win more games with just average offensive production.

Tonight, they got average offensive production. And they won.
Pretty much
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:00 AM
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Sale a little shaky with command, but dug his heels in and got 'er done.

Yeah, I know I'm off a day but....
Sox are the only AL Central team that has won it's past two games.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:47 AM
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They are still ****ty, but last nights game was nice to see.

Detroit at 10-10 is hilarious to say the least.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:41 PM
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Sox are second in the league in ERA...of course,not sure that the saber folks consider that a viable stat anymore.

Good to see Dunn making solid contact in three straight at bats.
Need more bombs.
Weather starting to moderate...could be time to win,Sox!

kepp needs to have a big series against his old mates...so far,so good!

Baby steps...unlike kittle, I have not given up as of April 25.

Now, Jake...go get us a win!
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:54 PM
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Sox are second in the league in ERA...of course,not sure that the saber folks consider that a viable stat anymore.
Top 5 MLB teams in all time winning pct.

Yanks .568
Giants .538
Dodgers .524
Cardinals .518
Red Sox .517

Top 5 MLB teams in all time ERA

Dodgers 3.54
Giants 3.55
Braves 3.64
Yanks 3.67
Cardinals 3.68
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:00 PM
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Sox are second in the league in ERA...of course,not sure that the saber folks consider that a viable stat anymore.
It is questionable how important it is for judging pitchers, but for a team, I argue it is relevant. More relevant is runs allowed per game, which I think the Sox place 4th or 5th in the majors in, so same difference here.

[quote]Baby steps...unlike kittle, I have not given up as of April 25.

I haven't "given up" in the sense that "anything is possible." I just hate the makeup of this team and the franchise's insistence on this treading water/barely able to "compete" in the division approach. A team underperforming with talent (Tigers) is different than a team with glaring holes (not that the Tigers are perfect) that are already showing themselves.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:13 PM
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[QUOTE=kittle42;3045558]It is questionable how important it is for judging pitchers, but for a team, I argue it is relevant. More relevant is runs allowed per game, which I think the Sox place 4th or 5th in the majors in, so same difference here.

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Baby steps...unlike kittle, I have not given up as of April 25.

I haven't "given up" in the sense that "anything is possible." I just hate the makeup of this team and the franchise's insistence on this treading water/barely able to "compete" in the division approach. A team underperforming with talent (Tigers) is different than a team with glaring holes (not that the Tigers are perfect) that are already showing themselves.
Ok, makes sense. Call me a romantic,but I still believe in baseball magic...Sox achieved that for 33 weeks last year,but no closure...hope springs eternal in this man's heart.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:16 PM
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[QUOTE=kittle42;3045558]It is questionable how important it is for judging pitchers, but for a team, I argue it is relevant. More relevant is runs allowed per game, which I think the Sox place 4th or 5th in the majors in, so same difference here.

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Baby steps...unlike kittle, I have not given up as of April 25.

I haven't "given up" in the sense that "anything is possible." I just hate the makeup of this team and the franchise's insistence on this treading water/barely able to "compete" in the division approach. A team underperforming with talent (Tigers) is different than a team with glaring holes (not that the Tigers are perfect) that are already showing themselves.
The Tiger bullpen is problematic for them. I really don't know how you can call that anything but a "glaring hole". And it today's game, a bullpen hole is usually a lot bigger than glaring.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:37 PM
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The Tiger bullpen is problematic for them. I really don't know how you can call that anything but a "glaring hole". And it today's game, a bullpen hole is usually a lot bigger than glaring.
Every team has a weakness - that's theirs. Ours? The entire offense (I could list everything, but we know what it is), the backend of the rotation til Danks gets his crap together, defense...
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:31 PM
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They are still ****ty, but last nights game was nice to see.

Detroit at 10-10 is hilarious to say the least.

Unfortunately I doubt that they have too many concerns about getting into the postseason after last year. They were a floundering team for much of last year and then cruised into the World Series. Must be nice to have that kind of talent.


TWTW.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:24 PM
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It is questionable how important it is for judging pitchers, but for a team, I argue it is relevant. More relevant is runs allowed per game, which I think the Sox place 4th or 5th in the majors in, so same difference here.
Basically. ERA is nice overview stat, it tells you basically what you need to know but doesn't offer too much depth. It's basically the pitcher's equivalent of OPS. You can make some snap judgments based on those stats but if you really want to learn more about what's going on you need to dig deeper. Saying someone is a good pitcher because he has the best ERA in the league is a valid statement. Saying someone is the best pitcher in the league because he has the best ERA is more of a gray area.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:39 PM
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Basically. ERA is nice overview stat, it tells you basically what you need to know but doesn't offer too much depth. It's basically the pitcher's equivalent of OPS. You can make some snap judgments based on those stats but if you really want to learn more about what's going on you need to dig deeper. Saying someone is a good pitcher because he has the best ERA in the league is a valid statement. Saying someone is the best pitcher in the league because he has the best ERA is more of a gray area.
If I'm not 100% in agreement with this then I'm pretty damn close.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:52 PM
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If I'm not 100% in agreement with this then I'm pretty damn close.
Same here. Even just on stats alone, so many other things are better indicators of success.
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