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If it's not true wouldn't JR be willing to lose money or not profit in order to put a winning team on the field? That would be the definition of putting winning before profitability.
It's a business, you try to maximize profits while minimizing costs. If the Sox value increases by whatever incremental amount per year, regardless of team performance I would think JR would take that over potentially losing value by investing in high risk, high value contracts. |
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If you get a chance, pick up a copy of Francona. Besides the baseball, there is quite a bit of what the Red Sox have done to cultivate their attendance and the marketing around it. A few things: 1. Music---the Dropkick Murphys and Sweet Caroline were both marketing gimmicks that have become staples appealing to certain population segments. 2. Francona was stunned when a big buck marketing survey determined the roster was bland and needed more players with sizzle and sex appeal to improve TV ratings. 3. The Red Sox want the female audiance and gear parts of their marketing approach specifically for them. So the pink hats, Sweet Caroline, sex appeal are all geared to attract the female fan and enhance their experience. |
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Teams that are willing to lose money to put a winning team on the field rarely put winning teams on the field. Even more rarely do they have stockholders. The big money teams have more money to spend. It is unreasonable and unrealistic to demand your favorite team's ownership lose money to provide you a winner. It is particularly unrealistic and unreasonable to suggest that fans should deny support for their team unless the francise loses money to provide a winner, especially when fans complain about moves that prove bad for baseball that cost the team money at the same time fans complain that management is unwilling to spend money. |
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How can we fans really get the message through to Sox ownership that we are fed up with the organization's ridiculous emphasis on loyalty over performance excellence in its drafting, scouting and player development?
The Sox aren't cheap; but they suck at drafting, scouting and developing talent. Doing those things well does not require flushing the major league club; it means drafting better, scouting better, and teaching/coaching/practicing better. If their current employees in those departments can't do that, then fire them.
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They have cheaped out on their minor league system for years. The result of this was being dependent on overspending on marginal FA's and signings to put a somewhat competitive team on the field. Short term this seemed to work for their bottom line. Long term hasnt been determined yet but I bet ownership has things covered. |
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But the model they have been working with has made them fat, why change a good thing? |
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Daver has it exactly right.
Marketing certainly helps but when you cut through everything the bottom line is that nothing is a better marketing tool than winning...and I don't mean being in first place for three months after a losing season the year before...to add to the fact that this franchise hasn't even had back to back winning seasons since 2005-2006 (I wanted to preempt the "it's all the Sox fans fault crowd...") Spivak: Again I go back to EE statement soon after he and JR bought the franchise (paraphrasing since I don't have the exact quote in front of me...) 'The way to win today is with free agency and trades...' They have never believed in the minor league system / approach to building a consistent winner, they have never invested the resources like other franchises (Sox spent the least amount of money in minor league bonuses in the last five years of MLB) and just in the last decade they can't even hang on to the same minor league director for longer than three or four years. Hard to develop a consistent development approach when the folks in charge are leaving or getting fired every few years. Then you add in the instances where JR intervened in who the Sox were going to draft and his dislike for certain agents (who usually happen to control very good talent) and you are shooting yourself in the foot. If the Sox in fact invested heavily in free agents (the TOP guys) and made good trades I'd say the lack of a minor league system wouldn't be a big deal. But not only do they chisel the minor league system but they are falling flat in the other two areas as well. Not a good situation. Lip |
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The Sox don't give a **** about the family of 4 that spends 60$ on one Sunday game a year. |
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Sponsorships and the big one will be the up coming TV contract. With their lease deal, I truly wonder how much an attendance loss will hurt them. |
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Re 2: If the Sox had a young dynamic player I think it would definitely boost fan interest. AJ was the closest thing they've had to a personality in the last 10 years and that was based more on an abstract idea of AJ Pierzynski than it was based on the actual person. Re 3: I would like to see that, if only for the hilarious backlash here. The Red Sox are not the White Sox for a multitude of reasons, but they are the undeniable success story of the last 15 years on and off the field. |
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No kidding, the TV deal will truly quantify the Sox place, both in Chicago but also MLB.
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Here are some philosophies I wish the Sox would become consistent on:
-DH. First it was one big bat (Thome) then a bunch of little bats (Kotsay, ect.) then back to a big bat with Dunn. Thome was by far the most successful DH we've had over the past 4 years and that can make a huge difference for an offense. Having a black hole there just sucks the life out of it. -Roster Makeup. Obviously a team will never be either all veterans or all youngsters but if the Sox want to change then they might have to "rebuild." Meaning it makes no sense to have Floyd pitching for us when it could be Hector Santiago. Just spinning our wheels. And if we are going to try to build winners by getting established talent then shouldn't we get established talent? Our bench is a joke. Looking specifically at this offseason I have zero clue what we were doing...it seems like it was a giant mess and it is turning out that way on the field as well. I'm concerned that the front office might actually be surprised by how this season is playing out when it was clear that offense and depth were lacking from the get go. |
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Maybe it's that coupled with the ownership being slow to demand better results from the management/scouting team they hired. We have a decade or so of failing to turn out sufficient quality players from within. You might argue that it's been 15 years since they last had a position player come through their system to become an above average MLB player. But the only "shake up" I have heard of is when they brought in Buddy Bell 5 years ago....and we haven't seen much improvement yet since then either. It also looks like the Wilder scandal really crippled the Sox international drafting efforts. But it's been years since that happened. Quote:
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Also, I think we've seen the good trades dry up because the Sox have almost nothing in their farm system to use for trades. You can't just hover near dead last in talent level year after year and expect to put together a competitive team even if you bring in a few players like Peavy and Rios.
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