TCQ charges Greinke in SD and the benches clear!

[blandman]

Originally Posted by voodoochile

By backpeddling and waving my hands frantically in front of me saying, "Wait wait wait, sorry, it was an accident, sorry, wait wait wait..." while looking completely freaked out.

I think my shoulder would be just fine.

That's right. Just do whatever bullies say. That's how you don't get assaulted!

[RKMeibalane]

Originally Posted by spawn

No...I said he could've run away and avoided the whole confrontation.

My mistake. I posted this before I saw your post. I do agree that he could have avoided the fight by trying to run.

[RKMeibalane]

Originally Posted by blandman

That's right. Just do whatever bullies say. That's how you don't get assaulted!

[spawn]

Originally Posted by voodoochile

Well there ya go... Greinke deserves what he got then.

He could have turned and walked away the second Quentin got hit. He could have not glared at the guy he had just smacked with a baseball. He could have done ANY NUMBER of things other than what he did and he might be pitching on Tuesday. He chose to go the other way...

Yep...he chose confrontation over avoidance. And it cost him.

[WhiteSox5187]

Originally Posted by spawn

There's an article in this thread where a professional athlete did just run away.

I have seen YouTube videos of that happening once, so obviously that is the exception. Nolan Ryan did something similar to that back in the 1970s and never really lived it down and publicly vowed that the next time a hitter charged the mound he would fight back, that hitter was Robin Ventura. Other pitchers have taken karate lessons in case they were charged, so I do think there is a sort of macho element involved in at the very least standing your ground.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by RKMeibalane

My mistake. I posted this before I saw your post. I do agree that he could have avoided the fight by trying to run.

Just so we're all clear here, telling a victim of violence it's their fault because they should/could/maybe it was an option to run away? Not exactly PC...

[central44]

Originally Posted by blandman

It's like you didn't even watch the video.

There was no 95 mph fastball up and in to instigate this. There was a fastball mid height barely six inches inside that Quentin leaned into.

Yeah because that little made up number is totally the key idea to what I was trying to say Stand in a major league batters box and have a pitcher throw inside at you. Pretty sure it's going to leave you shaken up and pissed off regardless of how fast it might be, and i'm guessing that being taunted immediatly after the fact doesn't help matters.

Nobody is saying what Quentin did was right. But making Grienke out to be some helpless, innocent victim is completely ridiculous. He could have acted contrite. He didn't have to start jawing at him right away.

[spawn]

Originally Posted by blandman

That's right. Just do whatever bullies say. That's how you don't get assaulted!

So then you agree he should've stood up to Quentin and traded violence for violence. You can't have it both ways. You can't call Quentin a thug for what happened when it could've easily been avoided.

[RKMeibalane]

Originally Posted by blandman

Just so we're all clear here, telling a victim of violence it's their fault because they should/could/maybe it was an option to run away? Not exactly PC...

It may not be PC, but if it's the truth, it needs to be said, albeit in a thoughtful and tactful way. Lying and sugarcoating doesn't educate people about how make better choices. It merely encourages people to make the same mistakes all over again.

[voodoochile]

Originally Posted by blandman

That's right. Just do whatever bullies say. That's how you don't get assaulted!

LOL!

OMG Munch!

Dude, see lets go back to your point...

This

Was...

On...

A...

Baseball

Field...

Zach had 35 other guys willing to go to the wall to back him up. He had umpires willing to step in and throw people out. He had the full weight of MLB behind him if he simply doesn't open his big... fat... mouth...

He chose to go the other way...

Bad idea, Zach.

[spawn]

Originally Posted by blandman

Just so we're all clear here, telling a victim of violence it's their fault because they should/could/maybe it was an option to run away? Not exactly PC...

You still haven't answered my question. Could the incident have been avoided had Greinke decided to run away?

[blandman]

Originally Posted by central44

Yeah because that little made up number is totally the key idea to what I was trying to say Stand in a major league batters box and have a pitcher throw inside at you. Pretty sure it's going to leave you shaken up and pissed off regardless of how fast it might be, and i'm guessing that being taunted immediatly after the fact doesn't help matters.

Nobody is saying what Quentin did was right. But making Grienke out to be some helpless, innocent victim is completely ridiculous. He could have acted contrite. He didn't have to start jawing at him right away.

Once again, facts are wrong. Quentin made the first move by walking at Greinke. Then Quentin talked first. Then, MAYBE, Greinke said "what?". Though some say he said nothing at all.

Not exactly the scenario you're describing.

[voodoochile]

Originally Posted by central44

Yeah because that little made up number is totally the key idea to what I was trying to say Stand in a major league batters box and have a pitcher throw inside at you. Pretty sure it's going to leave you shaken up and pissed off regardless of how fast it might be, and i'm guessing that being taunted immediatly after the fact doesn't help matters.

Nobody is saying what Quentin did was right. But making Grienke out to be some helpless, innocent victim is completely ridiculous. He could have acted contrite. He didn't have to start jawing at him right away.

DING DING DING!

Winner winner chicken dinner...

[voodoochile]

Originally Posted by blandman

Once again, facts are wrong. Quentin made the first move by walking at Greinke. Then Quentin talked first. Then, MAYBE, Greinke said "what?". Though some say he said nothing at all.

Not exactly the scenario you're describing.

I don't see Quentin say anything from the centerfield camera angle and once again, I read lips pretty damned well. Yeah, he's staring at him, but he's not talking.

[RKMeibalane]

Originally Posted by blandman

Once again, facts are wrong. Quentin made the first move by walking at Greinke. Then Quentin talked first. Then, MAYBE, Greinke said "what?". Though some say he said nothing at all.

Not exactly the scenario you're describing.

Watch the video again. He clearly says something. I'm not as skilled at reading lips as VC, but it does look like he's saying, "What?" There's no question he spoke.