Braves Replace "Screaming Savage" ST Hat

[Nellie_Fox]

Originally Posted by Tree Hate Me

As someone on Deadspin commented they could just offer to tweak the meaning of "redskins" and put an Idaho potato on their helmets.

Redskin potato:



Idaho potato:



/pedantry

[ComiskeyBrewer]

Originally Posted by Tree Hate Me

As someone on Deadspin commented they could just offer to tweak the meaning of "redskins" and put an Idaho potato on their helmets.

I've been saying put a redskin potato on the helmet for a while now. You get to keep the name and color scheme, you can still call them the skins, and you can keep the "R" they use as an alt logo. You only have to remove the indian head logo. That, or change everything to something like the Senators with no connection to the past.

[DSpivack]

Originally Posted by Nellie_Fox

Redskin potato:



Idaho potato:



/pedantry

Originally Posted by ComiskeyBrewer

I've been saying put a redskin potato on the helmet for a while now. You get to keep the name and color scheme, you can still call them the skins, and you can keep the "R" they use as an alt logo. You only have to remove the indian head logo. That, or change everything to something like the Senators with no connection to the past.

"Hail to the Tubers! Hail Victory..."

[ComiskeyBrewer]

Originally Posted by DSpivack

"Hail to the Tubers! Hail Victory..."

You could make this guy your mascot(obviously changing the helmet logo). Still better than the Bills mascot.

[Thome25]

Originally Posted by CoopaLoop

I would love to hear an explanation for this sentence.

All of the explanation that you need is in the post that you quoted.

[Thome25]

Originally Posted by Bob Roarman

Haha, wow, yeah that's sort of a huge leap there, not assuming but telling Native Americans that they should be proud to be, essentially, a brand. Holy ****.

This whole issue goes a lot further back than that.

Some teams named themselves after native Americans because they epitomize bravery, honor, and were fierce warriors and that's what they wanted their sports team to represent.

This was before branding was a concern. Selling apparel and merchandise with Native Americans on it wasn't big business when these teams named themselves. I'm going way back to the beginning when I talk about honoring Native Americans by naming your sports team after them.

Edit: But, it's a good thing you mentioned branding because IMO that's the issue in play here. IMO this is more about money than it is dignity. This was always an issue but, it became bigger as the business of selling team-themed merchandise became bigger.

Is it because branding gave this issue more recognition? Or is it because those involved wanted a piece of the pie too? Maybe one or the other. Maybe both. Maybe neither. But, it is a factor IMO.

How over-sensitive the world has become is painfully aggrivating at times. This is just one of many examples of that.

But, where does this end?

Does PETA get involved next and say that teams named after animals must go?

Do French Canadians stand up and cry that the name "Montreal Canadiens" must go?

Do some Americans stand up and say that they take offense to the name "New York Yankees" and demand a name change?

The bottom line is, someone is always going to take offense to everything.

Do the opinions of the few outweigh the opinions of the many?

If done tastefully and respectfully (Blackhawks, Illini, Warriors, Seminoles, Chiefs, Braves etc. etc. etc.) and NOT in a racist way (Chief Wahoo logo and Redskins name) then I don't see the problem and IMO those against it look more like whiners than people standing up for an injustice.

[Thome25]

Originally Posted by RKMeibalane

Well...



I said I was reminded of the thread jeremyb1 started, not that it was exactly like it. I made the comparison because thome25 seemed to be trying to speak for Native Americans as though they're incapable of speaking for themselves, just as jeremyb1 was doing with Shingo.

Incapable of speaking for themselves? Jesus no one is on ****ing trial here. I speak for no one but myself.

It's called my opinion.

[cub killer]

This is a very touchy issue. After all, they were decimated and had their land taken from them. Some say that this isn't the usa, this is still native land that just happens to be illegally occupied by the white man. Can you argue against that?

Let's say if Scotland gets invaded by England, and now Scotland is no longer Scotland, but now just part of England. And then the English make a team called the Scots right in Glasgow, England. What do you think the reaction would be?

The white man conquered the red man in a very brutal, some say shameful, way. These logos are a reminder of that.

[Thome25]

Originally Posted by cub killer

This is a very touchy issue. After all, they were decimated and had their land taken from them. Some say that this isn't the usa, this is still native land that just happens to be illegally occupied by the white man. Can you argue against that?

Let's say if Scotland gets invaded by England, and now Scotland is no longer Scotland, but now just part of England. And then the English make a team called the Scots right in Glasgow, England. What do you think the reaction would be?

The white man conquered the red man in a very brutal, some say shameful, way. These logos are a reminder of that.

This is where I disagree. The tasteful names and logos were done as a tribute to Native Americans and their strength and heritage. Not the other way around.

[Bob Roarman]

Originally Posted by RKMeibalane

Well...



I said I was reminded of the thread jeremyb1 started, not that it was exactly like it. I made the comparison because thome25 seemed to be trying to speak for Native Americans as though they're incapable of speaking for themselves, just as jeremyb1 was doing with Shingo.

Ahhh, well then I apologize. Just seemed like you were on the other side of that.

[Domeshot17]

First, despite widespread myth, it is not a screaming Indian, but a smiling/laughing one.

Second, since posters in this thread have come out and said Native Americans should speak for themselves, one did:

http://www.macon.com/2013/01/05/2306...ck-indian.html

Atlanta might just be best ditching the Indian theme all together. Gone are the tomahawk chop, chief noc-a-home and others. Change the tomahawks to Halligan Bars and Axes and keep the name Braves as a tribute to firefighters.

[Thome25]

Originally Posted by Domeshot17

First, despite widespread myth, it is not a screaming Indian, but a smiling/laughing one.

Second, since posters in this thread have come out and said Native Americans should speak for themselves, one did:

http://www.macon.com/2013/01/05/2306...ck-indian.html

Atlanta might just be best ditching the Indian theme all together. Gone are the tomahawk chop, chief noc-a-home and others. Change the tomahawks to Halligan Bars and Axes and keep the name Braves as a tribute to firefighters.

I agree with this article 100%.

Thanks for posting it.

[kittle42]

Originally Posted by ComiskeyBrewer

You could make this guy your mascot(obviously changing the helmet logo). Still better than the Bills mascot.

/thread.

[Nellie_Fox]

Folks, this is heading into the political. No more discussion of who stole what from whom, and who's occupying land illegally.

[TheVulture]

Hopefully, Notre Dame is next. I'm not half leprechaun, you bastards!!