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Old 01-28-2013, 11:48 AM
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Edwin Jackson had a losing record last year on a team that won 90+ games and the NL East.

In both Chicago and Washington I tried hard, very hard, to like Edwin Jackson. I am probably in the 95th percentile in terms of how hard I've tried to like Edwin Jackson. But the consistency just really isn't there: I've given up on it recently.
I have a similar assessment. The consistency really is the problem, and I don't think he'll ever get it at this point. He really should be a strong #2 on a contending team, but he can't focus more than 2-3 starts in a row it seems.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:05 AM
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It was probably one of the ugliest no-hitters in baseball history, what with the wild pitch, hit-by-pitch, 8 walks, and all.
That is what they call "ugly brilliant". Some players don't even have that.
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It was probably one of the ugliest no-hitters in baseball history, what with the wild pitch, hit-by-pitch, 8 walks, and all.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...97006121.shtml
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It's the same line except Ellis didn't throw a wild pitch...and Jackson wasn't on acid.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:08 PM
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It's the same line except Ellis didn't throw a wild pitch...and Jackson wasn't on acid.
Eerie, isn't it?
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AJ Burnett one-upped them in his 2001 no-no, with 9 BBs.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:36 AM
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Sure is.

But... we now have a price tag on what Floyd will cost next year (if we still have him). Although, with an extra year on his arm the total could come down a tad:

Jackson -
70-71 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 11-11 4.40 ERA 197 IP 22 HR 150 K 77 BB 1.43 WHIP
Floyd -
70-66 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 13-12 4.46 ERA 204 IP 26 HR 159 K 68 BB 1.33 WHIP
I am intrigued by these comparisons. I looked up Nolan Ryan , another hard throwing stud with control issues, who did make a name for himself in MLB history BTW. At a similar point in his career, Nolan Ryan was
69-70 Career at age 26 , and after 7 seasons averaged 160.1 innings per year. (lifetime 162 game average 14-13, 3.19era, 232 innings)
So there you have it, maybe the Cubs are aware of this similarity and see a long hard throwing future for Edwin. If he turns out to be Nolan Ryan Jr, that would be a steal! Also Ryan threw some ugly no-hitters, lots of walks too.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:28 PM
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I am intrigued by these comparisons. I looked up Nolan Ryan , another hard throwing stud with control issues, who did make a name for himself in MLB history BTW. At a similar point in his career, Nolan Ryan was
69-70 Career at age 26 , and after 7 seasons averaged 160.1 innings per year. (lifetime 162 game average 14-13, 3.19era, 232 innings)
So there you have it, maybe the Cubs are aware of this similarity and see a long hard throwing future for Edwin. If he turns out to be Nolan Ryan Jr, that would be a steal! Also Ryan threw some ugly no-hitters, lots of walks too.
Nolan Ryan actually had more complete game no hitters than complete games with no walks. Prior to 1988 he had only one complete game with no walks before doing it back to back in September of that year.
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