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I'll try to get info on this. It's been awhile since I found out about this. But again I'm not saying this happened but that it's only a rumor.
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This is what has watered down the HOF about as much as steroids will. Jim Rice didn't have HOF-worthy career numbers but he got in because he was a "feared hitter" for a few years. Jack Morris will probably get in despite his borderline numbers because everybody remembers a couple amazing posteseasons. Rizzuto got in because he was a Yankee. Mazeroski got in because he hit a WS-winning walkoff homer. Etc.
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Barry Bonds numbers are meaningless. Even if it were about the numbers, they wouldn't qualify him for the Hall of Fame. In any case, the infamous don't belong in the Hall of Fame. |
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That's a misconception. Joe wasn't given a lifetime ban, he is on the "permanently ineligible" list. There's a difference.
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These players who used roids were wrong for using them but cmon half the players in the hall of fame are racists, drunks and cheats. At least the roid users bought fans back to baseball. I guarantee if we listed every player in the hof at least 45-50 percent would have a character flaw thats well known. To me it just shows that writers have no clue on the history of baseball. They feel they are making baseball moral again when baseball has been corrupt since the start. I forgot about Perry getting caught but cmon it still took em basically until he retired before he got caught. I'm still impressed. On the Joe Jackson thing, I didn't realize he was on a ineligable list. but still I think it's time to forgive the poor guy and let him in. |
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Cheating doesn't impress me.
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In baseball cheating impresses me because it's part of the game and always has been and always will be. In regular life cheating doesn't impress me.
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People seem to forget that Joe Jackson and the other so called Black Sox were put on trial in criminal court and were all found not guilty. Jackson was told by his lawyer that if he was found not guilty he would be playing baseball again. I'm surprised to this day that the Black Sox didn't sue MLB for being banned from the game after being found not guilty in criminal court.
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Palmeiro and Bonds never injected themselves with steroids, so they had plausible deniability. The whole "I thought it was a B-12 shot" or "I never knowingly took steroids" excuses. Their trainers were the ones who the Feds went after. When McGwire was taking Andro, it was available over the counter at GNC. But amphetamines are as big of a deal as PEDs for sure. The only difference is we don't have images of guys in front of Congress flat-out lying or being evasive, so the steroids issue just seems dirtier and seedier. Quote:
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I am by no means a legal scholar but during MLB Network's recent roundtable discussion about the HOF Tom Verducci pointed out that rule 21-B (which forbids gambling on games) was made AFTER the Black Sox scandal. So the Black Sox might have had some leg to stand on by saying the suspension was made ex post facto, but I am not sure that would work. It would have required MLB to have a much stronger union certainly.
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I also think that PEDs are only one factor in the crazy numbers of the era. Firstly, pitching talent was at one of its lowest points. Secondly, spacious parks were being replaced with new bandboxes and that took some adjusting. And thirdly, hitters were able to wear body armor and stand on top of the plate with no fear of the inside pitch. How many times did we see an inside fast ball bounce off Barry's robo-arm thing without him even flinching? |
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