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What does the "purpose of the Hall of Fame" even mean? How is it a relevant institution when neither the hit king nor the homerun king are included? Sure, people see it as a shrine but it's also a museum of the game and its greatest players. Plus, the bar isn't that high if Jack Morris is in the discussion of deserving candidates.
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These steroid players aren't banned from baseball. And steroids were being used because baseball didn't have drug testing in fact most of the stuff they used could be bought at a GNC store. I keep hearing how Tim Raines should be in the hof and I feel he should be in too but this guy was using cocaine and he gets more votes than guys who were taking over the counter drugs. |
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![]() ![]() And cocaine isn't a performance enhancer. And this isn't meant to excuse his drug use, but according to Raines himself, his performance suffered because of his drug use.
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With Raines it's a moral issue and I think he should be in but taking cocaine deff is a moral issue and being a moral person is one of the hof standards so he shouldn't be getting more votes than steroid users. |
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Ty Cobb was a racist. Cap Anson is credited with the unwritten rule of keeping blacks out of baseball. Babe Ruth was a womanizer. Lou Gehrig was an alcoholic. The HOF is littered with individuals that made decisions that could be considered morally reprehensible. They didn't use an illegal substance to give them an unfair advantage over other players. THAT'S my issue. |
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I feel every player you mentioned cheated in some way or another. Stealing signs, using unfair home ball park methods, doctering baseballs etc. It's not the same as steroids but it's still cheating. All i'm trying to say is every generation looks for an edge. Unfortuantly the 90's-00's players used steroids for an advantage but to keep certain players out and put certain players in doesn't make any sense to me at all because nobody really knows who used.
I do admit I do find it hard to believe that Larkin or Banks ever cheated in any way though. This is far fetched but there actually is rumors that Babe Ruth used a drug similer to cocaine. I have no idea how true that is though. |
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The Hall of Fame is not about the numbers, and comparing steroids to corking bats misses the point. There no doubt are players who got away with steroid use, but the ones who are remembered for unnaturally alterring muscle mass dishonestly, contrary to the spirit of the game and federal law, do not belong in the Hall of Fame. |
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Source? Information? This looks a lot like the post that was moved to the Roadhouse earlier this evening.
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Yeah I always heard he started using roids after 1998 due to he was jealous of Sosa and McGwire getting all the media attention.
I pretty much look at the steroid era as just another part of baseball history. 1900-1920 Deadball era, very pitcher friendly. 1921-1937 huge offensive jumps due to smaller parks and the baseball was wound tighter. 1938-1960-I would say the league quality was pretty even. 1961 expansion a one year wonder for offense 1962+1976 another pitchers era but not like the 1900's 1977-1992 I would again say the league quality was pretty even 1993-2007 The steroid era. It goes without saying that it was bad for baseball but thats a whole generation erased from the hof. Bonds shouldn't take all the heat because he was the best juicer. 2008-curent...I would say the league quality is pretty even again. I might not be perfect on years but it's I think this is pretty close. |
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