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Old 01-09-2013, 11:57 AM
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So the Cub fan/resident Sosa apologist in my office said Sosa should get in since nobody has every said they witnessed him taking the stuff, was told by him he has taken the stuff or supplied him with it.

I told him by that reasoning, we should stop saying Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK because he was never convicted of the crime.
You may want to pass along this nugget to him: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/sp...ping.html?_r=0
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:02 PM
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You may want to pass along this nugget to him: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/sp...ping.html?_r=0
I would except that he's hurting right now. The Bears let him down this season (he predicted 13-3) and he feels the Cubs are nothing to look forward to until 2015. He's not a basketball or hockey fan, so he is wandering around with a dazed, lost look in his eye. A life with no purpose.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:01 PM
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Nobody got in. Biggio had 68% of the vote, 39 votes short. They haven't announced what Bonds or Clemens got.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:05 PM
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Jack Morris got the same votes as last year, 66.7%, Bagwell and Piazza got 59.6 and 57.8%, Tim Raines got 52%, Clemens and Bonds got 37.6% and 36.2% of the vote, Sosa got 12.5%, Kenny Lofton and Sandy Alomar are off the ballot.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:05 PM
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Royce's Clayton got zero votes.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:08 PM
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Royce's Clayton got zero votes.
I guess most of the BBWAA made another choice.

Is Biggio the first guy with 3,000 hits not to make it on the first ballot?
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:14 PM
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I guess most of the BBWAA made another choice.

Is Biggio the first guy with 3,000 hits not to make it on the first ballot?
Yes he is. Sad to say its due to a combination of steroid protesters and east coast bias.

What a joke. Who are 39 of the idiots who didn't vote for him?

Anyone with a blank ballot shouldn't be allowed to vote again.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:23 PM
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Full list available at the BBWAA's website:

http://bbwaa.com/

Biggio, Morris, Bagwell, Piazza, Raines, Smith, Schilling, Clemens, Bonds, Martinez, Trammell, Larry Walker, McGriff, McGwire, Mattingly, Sosa, and Palmeiro will all appear on the 2014 Ballot.

Dale Murphy has reached his 15-year-limit.

Bernie Williams, Ken Lofton, Sandy Alomar, Jr., Julio Franco, David Wells, Steve Finley, Shawn Green, Aaron Sele, Jeff Cirillo, Royce Clayton, Jeff Conine, Roberto Hernandez, Ryan Klesko, Jose Mesa, Reggie Sanders, Mike Stanton, Todd Walker, Rondell White, and Woody Williams all failed to recieve 5% of the vote and are gone, too.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:27 PM
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Full list available at the BBWAA's website:

http://bbwaa.com/

Biggio, Morris, Bagwell, Piazza, Raines, Smith, Schilling, Clemens, Bonds, Martinez, Trammell, Larry Walker, McGriff, McGwire, Mattingly, Sosa, and Palmeiro will all appear on the 2014 Ballot.

Dale Murphy has reached his 15-year-limit.

Bernie Williams, Ken Lofton, Sandy Alomar, Jr., Julio Franco, David Wells, Steve Finley, Shawn Green, Aaron Sele, Jeff Cirillo, Royce Clayton, Jeff Conine, Roberto Hernandez, Ryan Klesko, Jose Mesa, Reggie Sanders, Mike Stanton, Todd Walker, Rondell White, and Woody Williams all failed to recieve 5% of the vote and are gone, too.
Next year's ballot has locks like Glavine, Maddux, and (hopefully!) Frank Thomas on it. It will be really interesting to see what impact that has on guys like Raines, Smith and Morris and if guys are punishing Bonds and Clemens for one year or forever.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:39 PM
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Next year's ballot has locks like Glavine, Maddux, and (hopefully!) Frank Thomas on it. It will be really interesting to see what impact that has on guys like Raines, Smith and Morris and if guys are punishing Bonds and Clemens for one year or forever.
I'm as big a Thomas fan as anybody, but after this year I don't see him going in first ballot.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:43 PM
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I'm as big a Thomas fan as anybody, but after this year I don't see him going in first ballot.
It will be interesting, the one thing that should help Frank immensely is that as early as 1995 he (and Tony Gwynn) were telling reporters that guys were "doing things that weren't natural." Frank's outspokenness about steroids SHOULD help him. But you never know.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:43 PM
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I'm as big a Thomas fan as anybody, but after this year I don't see him going in first ballot.
Now that I think about it, if he does get in first ballot and the steroid guys are just getting a one year slap on the wrist, it'll be quite an uncomfortable moment for them when Frank gives his speech.
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Help me out here but isn't that the definition of first ballot?
After seeing how the BBWAA voted this year, I don't see Thomas going in on his first ballot (next year.)

Make sense now?
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:45 PM
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I'm as big a Thomas fan as anybody, but after this year I don't see him going in first ballot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas, Glavine, Maddux, and Biggio all get in next year. The guy it may hurt is Tim Raines. If Schilling, Piazza, Bagwell, Bonds, and Clemens gets boosts next year, then Raines may fall back further.

The whole thing is kind of a joke at this point.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:54 PM
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Surprising and not surprising at the same time. Good to know a little integrity was involved here.
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