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Sure the Sox opened up the purse strings on the major league payroll, but they've also had 4 straight disappointing seasons and 6 disappointing seasons in the last 7. That's why attendance has declined every year, not because the payroll is $X million - it's because the performance on the field has caused the Sox attendance and season ticket number bleed from their highs in 2006 to their status today. I really, really hope people in Sox management/ownership understands this difference. If they seriously think the way things work is that they throw money at certain players and then fans have to "hold up their end of the deal" even if the team flops, then I don't see much hope in the situation improving any time soon. Just spending money on players like Adam Dunn won't help if the team falls apart during the pennant stretch each year. In the end, it's not only about spending money on veterans for the major league payroll. Sox management needs to succeed in putting together a team that can go up against the big boys in the AL for more that 1 year. Heck, how about just putting up a team that can string together at least some titles in the weaker AL Central more than once every 5 years or so? If the current Sox management can't pull of that task, then maybe there needs to be changes in management. One last thing about payroll - yes, JR ponied up money for the MLB payroll in recent years. That's good because it's often a key component for a competitive team. But how much has Sox ownership invested in scouting, player development, etc. over the last 10 years? I really don't know much about what they're doing with the minor league system, but I can plainly see that it's not working in terms of giving this team enough depth to be a pennant contender. If Sox management really has questions about why attendance is declining, I hope they're looking no further than the mirror.
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Not even close. Thornton is grossly overpaid, but that's it. John Danks is overpaid, but he would have gotten that deal from several different teams, so it reflects the market. So do the rest of the contracts.
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Gonzo mentioned this today in a column:
"Contrary to an internet report, the Sox have committed $65.25 million to seven players for 2013 (Paul Konerko will earn $6.5 million in 2013, plus $1 million annually from 2014-20)." Lip |
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I didn't realize Konerko's contract was deferred. Also, that number is exactly what Gonzo says, the dollars committed to those players signed for next season. It does not take into account buyouts for Peavy ($4 million), Youkilis ($1 milion), and Myers ($3 million). It also does not factor in contracts for arbitration-eligible players such as Humber, Beckham and De Aza (I suspect Humber will be released, however); I also am not sure who, if else, is arbitration-eligible.
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However, I still believe there is a perception among "general" fans that the Sox management won't spend the dough to compete with the "big boys" and sign some really outstanding players. It's my opinion that this perception also impacts attendance.
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2.) If they win the World Series, then yes it was worth it. They're four wins away from being there.
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Updated White Sox 2013 Payroll as of 11/1/12 (source: Cot's)
Guaranteed players: ------------------ Danks, John - SP - $15,750,000 ($1.5 bonus/yr) - 4 yrs left (partial NTC) Dunn, Adam - DH/1B - $15,000,000 - 2yrs left Peavy, Jake - SP - $14,500,000 - 2yrs left with conditional option + 2012 buyout($1M each in 2016-19) Rios, Alex - RF/CF - $12,500,000 - 2yrs + TmOpt left (partial NTC) Konerko, Paul - 1B/DH - $13,500,000 - 2013 FA (10/5 NTC rights) Floyd, Gavin - SP - $9,500,000 - 2013 FA Ramirez, Alexei - SS - $7,000,000 - 3yrs + TmOpt left Thornton, Matt - RP - $5,500.00 - 1yr + TmOpt left Crain, Jesse - RP - $4,500,000 - 2013 FA Viciedo, Dayan - LF - $3,750,000 (est. raise from $3,250,00, Boras may get $4M), first arb year likely 2013 Sale, Chris - SP - $775,000 (est. raise from 500K), first arb year 2013 =========================== Total: $102,275,000 Near-minimum players, multiple yrs before arb --------------------------------------------- Reed, Addison - $675,000 (est. raise from 480K), Jones, Nate - RP - $625,000 (est. raise from 480K), Santiago, Hector - $600,000 (est. raise from 480K), Morel, Brent - 3B - $535,000 (est. raise from 490K), Flowers, Tyler - C - $535,000 (est. raise from 483K), Danks, Jordan - OF- minimum ($490,000 in 2013) Quintana, Jose - P - minimum ($490,000) Veal, Donald - P - minimum ($490,000) ============================= Running total: $106,715,000 -------------------- Arbitration eligible: -------------------- DeAza, Alejandro - CF - Arb1 - $2,500,000 (est. - 2012: $495,000) Beckham, Gordon - 2B - Arb1 - $2,250,000 (est. - 2012: $520,000) Humber, Phil - P - Arb1 - $1,750,000 (est. - 2012: $530,000) Olmedo, Rey - IF - Arb1 - $570,000 (est. - 2012: minimum) ==================== 23 players - Running Total: $113,785,000 2013 Options: --------------- Youkilis, Kevin - 3B - $1,000,000 buyout Myers, Brett - RP - $3,000,000 buyout ==================== Running Total with Youkilis and Myers buyouts: $117,735,000 -------------------- Free Agents: ------------ Youkilis, Kevin - 3B - 2013 Salary: $12,000,000 (est FA signing salary: $10,000,000) Liriano, Francisco - SP - 2013 salary: $5,500,000 (est FA signing salary: $9,250,000) Myers, Brett - RP - 2013 Salary: $12,250,000 (est FA signing salary: $8,500,000) Pierzynski, A.J. - C - 2013 salary: $6,000,000 (est FA signing salary: $8,000,000) Hudson, Orlando - IF - 2013 salary: $5,500,000 (est FA signing salary: $2,250,000) ------------- Current total Payroll: $117,735,000 Payroll with A.J. resigning a team-friendly deal for $7.5M $121,285,000 For reference, the Opening Day payroll for 2012 was: $97,669,500. Adding prorated partial seasons for Youkilis, Liriano, Hudson and call-ups increases 2012 maximum another $8M or so. -- The Sox are way above where I thought they'd be. Something has to give. Gotta wonder if one of Danks, Dunn or Rios is dealt to get down to an expected payroll level. Last edited by russ99; 11-01-2012 at 10:38 AM. |
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It's also very possible that the amount you expected them to spend on payroll was severly underestimated.
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If it happens, awesome. But until we go into spring training with this group, I wonder if the shoe will drop. |
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Yeah but remember the Sox just got an extra $26 million or so annually from the new Fox TV contract to play with
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Not all tic prices are being reduced. The ones that are being increased will be sold and thats sure money in the coffers. Maybe this so called ticket reduction will actually increase revenue. This organization is not stupid when it comes to money. |
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