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Old 10-04-2012, 08:27 PM
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White Sox 2013 Payroll Info: (source: Cot's)

Guaranteed players:
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Danks, John - SP - $15,750,000 (with $1.5 annual bonus) - 4 yrs left (partial NTC)
Dunn, Adam - DH/1B - $15,000,000 - 2yrs left
Rios, Alex - RF/CF - $12,500,000 - 2yrs + TmOpt left (partial NTC)
Konerko, Paul - 1B.DH - $13,500,000 - 2014 FA (10/5 NTC rights)
Ramirez, Alexei - SS - $7,000,000 - 3yrs + TmOpt left
Thornton, Matt - RP - $5,500.00 - 1yr + TmOpt left
Crain, Jesse - RP - $4,500,000 - 2014 FA
Sale, Chris - SP - $775,000 (est. raise from 500K), first arb year 2014
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Total 2013 obligations: $74,525,000


Near-minimum players, multiple yrs before arb
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Reed, Addison - $675,000 (est. raise from 480K),
Jones, Nate - RP - $625,000 (est. raise from 480K),
Santiago, Hector - $600,000 (est. raise from 480K),
Morel, Brent - 3B - $535,000 (est. raise from 490K),
Flowers, Tyler - C - $535,000 (est. raise from 483K),
Danks, Jordan - OF- minimum - $490,000 in 2013
Quintana, Jose - P - minimum - $490,000
Veal, Donald - P - minimum - $490,000
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Running total: $78,965,000
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Arbitration eligible:
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Viciedo, Dayan - LF - Arb1 - $6,000,000** (est.) 2012 salary:$3,250,00)
DeAza, Alejandro - CF - Arb1 - $2,500,000 (est.) 2012: $495,000)
Beckham, Gordon - 2B - Arb1 - $2,250,000 (est.) 2012: $520,000)
Humber, Phil - P - Arb1 - $1,750,000 (est.) 2012: $530,000)
Olmedo, Rey - IF - Arb1 - $570,000 (est.) 2012: minimum)
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21 players - Running Total: $92,035,000
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** Estimate for Viciedo is raised due to Boras representation, previous salary, 2012 power numbers, and potential of going to hearing.

By comparison, when similar hitter Carlos Quentin hit arb in 2011 with a similar $3.2M salary, he signed for $5.05M with more injury concerns and non-Boras rep.


Options:
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Peavy, Jake - SP - $22,000,000 team option - $4,000,000 buyout
Youkilis, Kevin - 3B - $13,000,000 team option - $1,000,000 buyout
Myers, Brett - RP - $10,000,000 team option - $3,000,000 buyout
Floyd, Gavin - Sp - $9,500,000 team option - zero buyout. See below.
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Running Total with Peavy, Youkilis and Myers buyouts: $100,035,000
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Free Agents:
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Pierzynski, A.J. - C - '12: $6,000,000 (est '13 salary: $8,000,000)
Hudson, Orlando - IF - '12: $5,500,000 (est '13 salary: $2,250,000)
Liriano, Francisco - SP - '12: $5,500,000 (est '13 salary: $9,250,000)
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OFFSEASON SCENARIOS:
Scenario 1:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option is refused and all buyouts exercised.
Add 4 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,960,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $101,995,000

Scenario 2:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option year picked up and all buyouts exercised.
Add 3 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,470,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $111,005,000

Scenario 3:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option refused and all buyouts exercised, and Dunn is traded, which would under my estimation would require a large contract coming back. Max Savings for 2013 - $5M.
Add 4 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,960,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $96,995,000

Scenario 4:
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A.J re-signs at a team friendly $7,500,000; Floyd's option year picked up and all buyouts exercised.
Add 2 players at minimum to fill roster: $980,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $118,015,000

Scenario 5:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option refused and all buyouts exercised, and Viciedo is traded for prospects before arbitration.
Add 2 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,960,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $98,445,000

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For reference, the Opening Day 2012 payroll was: $97,669,500.

Adding prorated partial seasons for Youkilis, Liriano, Hudson and call-ups increases 2012 maximum another $7-8M or so, give or take a few million, the Sox spent $105,000,000.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:38 PM
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Very interesting. It sure looks like the Sox cant be competitive at 97M and probably not even at the 118M option.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:49 PM
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I can definately see Thornton and Crain traded this offseason. Might have to eat some money for Crain but Thornton should be able to be moved cleanly. I don't see any scenario where Humber is back. This offseason may be a good time to trade Rios as well.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:16 PM
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I think Viciedo's $6 million is overestimated. Viewing it as similar to Quentin's year is a mistake, IMHO, as Quentin's 2010 was better than Viciedo's 2012, and TCQ also had an MVP-type year in his past in 2008.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:28 PM
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Looking at those numbers, how depressing.

I might get the itch for this (baseball) come February.

But if the Sox want to board up the Cell and close for business in 2013, go right ahead.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:40 PM
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White Sox 2013 Payroll Info: (source: Cot's)

Guaranteed players:
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Danks, John - SP - $15,750,000 (with $1.5 annual bonus) - 4 yrs left (partial NTC)
Dunn, Adam - DH/1B - $15,000,000 - 2yrs left
Rios, Alex - RF/CF - $12,500,000 - 2yrs + TmOpt left (partial NTC)
Konerko, Paul - 1B.DH - $13,500,000 - 2014 FA (10/5 NTC rights)
Ramirez, Alexei - SS - $7,000,000 - 3yrs + TmOpt left
Thornton, Matt - RP - $5,500.00 - 1yr + TmOpt left
Crain, Jesse - RP - $4,500,000 - 2014 FA
Sale, Chris - SP - $775,000 (est. raise from 500K), first arb year 2014
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Total 2013 obligations: $74,525,000
Every team can stomach having one or maybe two guys grossly overpaid, but look at that list above. Brutal.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:56 PM
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Nice post, but I didn't realize how bleak next year is looking.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:08 PM
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It's all going to depend on how much payroll Hahn has to work with and only JR knows the answer to that...although I suspect with all the hints Kenny has said recently about the number of people looking into the Sox attendance issues, what they have to say and projections they have are also going to factor in heavily.

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Every team can stomach having one or maybe two guys grossly overpaid, but look at that list above. Brutal.
Been a huge Kenny supporter since he took the job.

But those numbers there are very close to Jim Hendry material.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:40 PM
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Yeah. They're too expensive for a middling level of production. Not the most athletic team in the world. Ov vey.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:17 AM
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Those tomatoes I grew in the backyard for the price of a couple handsful of 10-10-10 fertilizer are far better than the ones I see at the grocery store for $4.00 a pound.

That's an analogy, if anyone needs a hint.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:41 AM
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Those tomatoes I grew in the backyard for the price of a couple handsful of 10-10-10 fertilizer are far better than the ones I see at the grocery store for $4.00 a pound.

That's an analogy, if anyone needs a hint.
The Sox do need to do a much better job in the long-run at developing their own position players and stars. Relying on expensive veterans I do think is penny-wise and dollar-foolish. That said, I don't think that is necessarily relevant in building the 2013 team. The Sox can't afford to rebuild and give up on a season or two as other teams can.
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:39 AM
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I think Viciedo's $6 million is overestimated. Viewing it as similar to Quentin's year is a mistake, IMHO, as Quentin's 2010 was better than Viciedo's 2012, and TCQ also had an MVP-type year in his past in 2008.
Certainly possible. Maybe I'm overestimating the Boras factor. Since he has a high salary for his age at $3.25M and will get a decent raise due to his 2012 numbers, $4.5-$5M is probably the lowest we can expect.

Hahn has worked pretty well with Boras in the past, Kenny is the one with issues, so maybe we won't get taken to the cleaners on this one.

I'm thinking the key for next year is what Jerry decides with the payroll. Hopefully Kenny's end of year comments mean that we won't see another cut next year due to attendance. Since we were around $105-106 with the in-season additions, I agree we can get some wiggle room by dealing Thornton and Crane.

The other thing I find odd is some of the rumors our there that the Sox may look to re-sign Peavy and/or Youk to lower deals. That would push payroll much higher.

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Old 10-05-2012, 08:02 AM
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The other thing I find odd is some of the rumors our there that the Sox may look to re-sign Peavy and/or Youk to lower deals. That would push payroll much higher.
Wow, you mean like all these people saying how they think the Sox will go back to pre-2005 levels of payroll after one disappointing season are nothing but internet sensationalists reacting emotionally without any basis of fact to back their claims???

I'm quite sure if you go back to this thread last year, you'd see the same kind of apocalyptic pants-pissing by probably the same posters with the same agendas to push that haven't yet been convinced they really don't know what they're talking about. So let's all keep that in mind.

Furthermore, I would suspect that Humber will be non-tendered. I think he's gone. I also think your arb and pre-arb contracts are all running on the high side. But we'll see.
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I don't see any value in any of the options. I wouldn't mind seeing everyone but Youkilis back, but it would have to be for way less than the options, so they probably won't be back.

Also, Danks better have an above average 2013 or people are gonna do some serious grumbling.

Like others, I'm interested in how Viciedo's arbitration goes since he's the only one on that list with any real leverage. I certainly hope they keep him.
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