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[WhiffleBall]

To add insult to injury the season ticket holder post season tickets arrived yesterday. My spirits really picked up after Friday's win and having possible world series tickets in my possession and then this game happened.

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by SaltyPretzel

How much interest would Dunn have from other teams during the offseason?

I hope it's enough to move him. Some posters have been savaged for criticizing Dunn this year when he got off to such a "good" start, but I've seen more than enough.

[GlassSox]

Originally Posted by WhiffleBall

To add insult to injury the season ticket holder post season tickets arrived yesterday. My spirits really picked up after Friday's win and having possible world series tickets in my possession and then this game happened.

[Lip Man 1]

Robin wants to return, so I think those rumors can end:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2...come-back.html

Lip

[LITTLE NELL]

Originally Posted by SI1020

I hope it's enough to move him. Some posters have been savaged for criticizing Dunn this year when he got off to such a "good" start, but I've seen more than enough.

It would be tough to give up a guy with 40+ homers and 90+ RBIs but all those Ks and a .205 BA drive me to drink.

[Domeshot17]

The problem is not Dunn, The bigger problem is Konerko. You need 2 things from your 3-4-5, hits (preferably HR) and RBIs. Station to Station baseball is not the result of the heart of your order, its the result of lack of talent surrounding it. This year, we had poor offensive production from 3b, 2b, LF, and only average production from SS, CF and 1b.

when 2/3 of your lineup is Average at best, you are screwed.

[Frater Perdurabo]

Originally Posted by Domeshot17

The problem is not Dunn, The bigger problem is Konerko. You need 2 things from your 3-4-5, hits (preferably HR) and RBIs. Station to Station baseball is not the result of the heart of your order, its the result of lack of talent surrounding it. This year, we had poor offensive production from 3b, 2b, LF, and only average production from SS, CF and 1b.

when 2/3 of your lineup is Average at best, you are screwed.

If 2/3 of the lineup is average, we need the other 1/3 to be All-Star quality. AJ, Rios and Dunn are among the best at their positions, but they cannot produce like Fielder and Cabrera (and next year, Victor Martinez).

[central44]

Originally Posted by Domeshot17

The problem is not Dunn, The bigger problem is Konerko. You need 2 things from your 3-4-5, hits (preferably HR) and RBIs. Station to Station baseball is not the result of the heart of your order, its the result of lack of talent surrounding it. This year, we had poor offensive production from 3b, 2b, LF, and only average production from SS, CF and 1b.

when 2/3 of your lineup is Average at best, you are screwed.

Yup.

Dunn has done exactly what he was expected to do--hit home runs and drive runs in. The strikeouts come with the territory. Nobody will be disappointed if he's moved, but he's not the problem.

Konerko has been flat out awful since the All Star Break, and he's been hitting fourth all year. I don't know if it's the injury or if he's just lost it (like 2009 Dye). But he has not provided what is needed in the heart of the order.

[WhiteSox5187]

Originally Posted by Domeshot17

The problem is not Dunn, The bigger problem is Konerko. You need 2 things from your 3-4-5, hits (preferably HR) and RBIs. Station to Station baseball is not the result of the heart of your order, its the result of lack of talent surrounding it. This year, we had poor offensive production from 3b, 2b, LF, and only average production from SS, CF and 1b.

when 2/3 of your lineup is Average at best, you are screwed.

I think the problem with Dunn is that you need to surround him with fairly good hitters in order to live with that .205 average, when you have a lineup full of .250 hitters that .205 average and all those strikeouts become very glaring.

[BainesHOF]

Originally Posted by F4L

I was unfortunately at the game (can't turn down free tickets in 136, 5 rows off the field), and I let the entire team have it today. They deserve to be booed, and heckled at this point. As someone said, "if they don't care, why should we?" I'm NEVER "that" fan to boo your home team, or say anything negative to the players about their performance, but dammit, I did my part my bringing my ass out to the Cell to support them, to only get **** on every time. They deserve to be ridiculed. Its unacceptable. I once again don't blame anyone for not showing up. Good luck getting fans behind this team for next year. Can't even draw 30,000 on a FOX Saturday midday game in a pennant race on the final homestand of the year. Its not our fault, its the team/organization. So sick of them showing absolutely no heart, no care, and giving almost lethargic effort. Absolutely unacceptable, while once again, Detroit attempts to nearly give us another game to live.

Grow up. You think the players don't care? Get a clue.

[BigKlu59]

Not just glaring.... Some a bats have looked absolutely futile and pathetic in crunch situations... When they do get a pitcher in any kind of jam, they dont even make the guy work to get out of it... How many times have we seen when a guy has lost the plate after a walk to Dunn, Paulie comes up hacking at the first pitch? Dude, you have atleast a 4 pitch Muligan in that situation.. It just seems all of their hitting sense evaporated in the second half.. Agree with an earlier post of the lack of doubles output. Whats that all about?..Everbody trying to crush the ball to Omaha?

BK59

[LITTLE NELL]

Originally Posted by BigKlu59

Not just glaring.... Some a bats have looked absolutely futile and pathetic in crunch situations... When they do get a pitcher in any kind of jam, they dont even make the guy work to get out of it... How many times have we seen when a guy has lost the plate after a walk to Dunn, Paulie comes up hacking at the first pitch? Dude, you have atleast a 4 pitch Muligan in that situation.. It just seems all of their hitting sense evaporated in the second half.. Agree with an earlier post of the lack of doubles output. Whats that all about?..Everbody trying to crush the ball to Omaha?

BK59

I agree but what the hell are the manager and coaches doing about it, don't they say anything to these guys about working the count or trying to hit the ball to the opposite field. This same crap has been going on since 2006.

[tstrike2000]

Originally Posted by Frater Perdurabo

Robin has "over managed" his bullpen only lately, as starters haven't gone as deep, as innings for Jones, Crain and Thornton have piled up, and as Robin had thus had to turn increasingly to recent callups to get through games. Keep in mind also that due to multiple injuries, the desire to protect the youngsters, and general ineffectiveness, Robin and Coop have had to juggle.

This isn't like 2005, where Ozzie had five veteran workhorses he rode, plus a rookie - McCarthy - that he could plug in where needed.

If you're going to grade Robin on his pitching moves, he needs to be graded on the curve.

Frater, as always, make a lot of good points and you're right about starters not being able to go deep into games and our regulars just feeling the results of a heavy workload. The team is running on fumes.

I just feel that out of all the MLB teams that are in the hunt, you'll never see a big league manager use guys like Omogrosso, Heath, Axelrod, Septimo, and Marinez all in the same game. Some of those guys arguably shouldn't even been on a MLB 40 man roster, let alone pitching in a game where we're supposedly fighting for our playoff lives.

[Lip Man 1]

Nell:

Robin told the hitters he recommended bunting against Cabrera with his bad legs when they last played at Detroit.

Gonzo said he was basically ignored except for a player or two.

What can you do?

The days when Eddie Stanky could fine them or bench them unfortunately are long gone.

Lip

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by BigKlu59

Not just glaring.... Some a bats have looked absolutely futile and pathetic in crunch situations... When they do get a pitcher in any kind of jam, they dont even make the guy work to get out of it... How many times have we seen when a guy has lost the plate after a walk to Dunn, Paulie comes up hacking at the first pitch? Dude, you have atleast a 4 pitch Muligan in that situation.. It just seems all of their hitting sense evaporated in the second half.. Agree with an earlier post of the lack of doubles output. Whats that all about?..Everbody trying to crush the ball to Omaha?
BK59

Originally Posted by LITTLE NELL

I agree but what the hell are the manager and coaches doing about it, don't they say anything to these guys about working the count or trying to hit the ball to the opposite field. This same crap has been going on since 2006.

Yes both of you guys have it right. I'd like to add that this is possibly the rottonest I've ever felt at the end of a season. Yeah I know, nobody expected them to be in it in September and all that. Well they were in it, had so many chances to put it away and then to die quietly like this. Just a rotten feeling.