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Old 08-09-2012, 12:47 AM
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Hasn't everyone on here been bitching about how horrible Konerko's production has been and how he should be moved lower in the order? And now we're lost without him?

Here it is, from all of 4 days ago...

In all fairness, Konerko has not been Konerko for about 2 months now. There is a certain standard / level you hold your star players to and when they are not producing at that level there is cause for concern (or bitching as you would say).


That being said with looking at the alternative, give me the slap hitting / soft hitting Konerko all day over the bums siting on that bench.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:45 PM
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This is a team with a very weak bench, the loss of any regular position player for any length of time is devastating at this point of season except maybe 2nd base.
Agree - our bench depth was below average before the Konerko injury- and concussions do have a way of lingering. Robin has been running the regulars out there very day and they need a periodic breather (one at a time not the "Ozzie Sunday lineup" option). Overall I ilke the starting team but we have zero depth behind them- its time to get an corner outfielder / first baseman who can step in periodically for PK, Youk, etc. The time is now whether you DL Konerko or release O-Dog or send Jordan Danks down.

We need a middle infielder upgrade too.

I know these moves are easier said than done, but this team is "close" to playoff quality but realistically may be a bench player or two away.
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:13 PM
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Agree - our bench depth was below average before the Konerko injury- and concussions do have a way of lingering. Robin has been running the regulars out there very day and they need a periodic breather (one at a time not the "Ozzie Sunday lineup" option). Overall I ilke the starting team but we have zero depth behind them- its time to get an corner outfielder / first baseman who can step in periodically for PK, Youk, etc. The time is now whether you DL Konerko or release O-Dog or send Jordan Danks down.

We need a middle infielder upgrade too.

I know these moves are easier said than done, but this team is "close" to playoff quality but realistically may be a bench player or two away.
Maybe this is the point where you have to overpay. I am sure the wavier wire has someone out there that can help the club. Yes they may be over priced but now is the time you have to do what you have to do. This is the type of club that can compete in the playoffs but they have to get there first.
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:42 PM
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Dan Johnson? What's he been up to at AAA lately?
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:04 PM
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There's at least three names already mentioned on this board that appear to be better than Olmedo, Hudson and Danks. I have to believe Kenny is working on this...makes no sense not to.

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Old 08-09-2012, 04:07 PM
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There's at least three names already mentioned on this board that appear to be better than Olmedo, Hudson and Danks. I have to believe Kenny is working on this...makes no sense not to.
He better be - there are guys out there (and by out there, I certainly don't mean in our own minor league system, despite how great one good and a few serviceable pitchers have convinced a section of the board that every talent evaluator is wrong) that are upgrades.

I guess we should be happy our biggest concern is bench players right now.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:49 PM
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Dan Johnson? What's he been up to at AAA lately?
He's batting .268 with 25 HRs and 73 RBIs.

He hasn't done much against MLB pitching since 2007. Could he help the Sox? Maybe, but I can't see him being a huge difference maker.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:57 PM
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He better be - there are guys out there (and by out there, I certainly don't mean in our own minor league system, despite how great one good and a few serviceable pitchers have convinced a section of the board that every talent evaluator is wrong) that are upgrades.

I guess we should be happy our biggest concern is bench players right now.
The state of the bench is a great example of just how poor of a system the Sox have.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:32 PM
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He's batting .268 with 25 HRs and 73 RBIs.

He hasn't done much against MLB pitching since 2007. Could he help the Sox? Maybe, but I can't see him being a huge difference maker.
He did plenty for the Rays last year in a pinch hit role.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:25 PM
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The state of the bench is a great example of just how poor of a system the Sox have.
I guess, but they're also only in this position because of guys like Quintana, De Aza, Reed, most of the bullpen, etc... All guys who were all in the Sox farm system at some point in the last 12 months.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:34 PM
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He did plenty for the Rays last year in a pinch hit role.
Another instance of people only remembering games that happen that involve the Sox.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...=2011&t=b#defp

He was 1 for 7 as a PH, with that one hit being the homer off Thornton, and sucked otherwise.

In his career as a PH, he is 4 for 29 with 2 HR and 5 RBI.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...areer&t=b#defp

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Old 08-09-2012, 08:37 PM
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He did plenty for the Rays last year in a pinch hit role.
He was 1-for-7 in that role last season. Yes, it was a big hit, but that's one at-bat.

His numbers for the season were .119/.187/.202.

The year before that: .198/.343/.414.

The year before that he batted .215 in Japan.

Let's not make him out to be great.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:44 PM
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Another instance of people only remembering games that happen that involve the Sox.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...=2011&t=b#defp

He was 1 for 7 as a PH, with that one hit being the homer off Thornton, and sucked otherwise.

In his career as a PH, he is 4 for 29 with 2 HR and 5 RBI.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...areer&t=b#defp

A few clicks gets you the facts. Doesn't anyone want to take a few minutes to look anything up?
Actually, I believe the pinch-hit HR was against the Yankees with two outs in the ninth that game where the Rays rallied to make the playoffs on the final day of the season. He also homered off Thornton last year, it was a 3-run shot and not in a pinch-hitting role.

Other than that, we're on the same side in this debate. I suppose Dan Johnson could help the Sox, but I wouldn't bank on it. He's never been good at the MLB level.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:50 PM
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Actually, I believe the pinch-hit HR was against the Yankees with two outs in the ninth that game where the Rays rallied to make the playoffs on the final day of the season. He also homered off Thornton last year, it was a 3-run shot and not in a pinch-hitting role.

Other than that, we're on the same side in this debate. I suppose Dan Johnson could help the Sox, but I wouldn't bank on it. He's never been good at the MLB level.
Was Johnson the guy you said is out of options if we bring him up?
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:55 PM
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I guess, but they're also only in this position because of guys like Quintana, De Aza, Reed, most of the bullpen, etc... All guys who were all in the Sox farm system at some point in the last 12 months.
I know I'm nitpicking here, but DeAza was on the team last year and we knew he was going to be starting this year. He's had a great season and is definitely a surprise. Reed was also going to be on the team this year as well. The 2 guys who have been surprising are Nate Jones and Quintana. But those are pitchers. There is nothing when it comes to position players. Escobar might have been useful, but he's a maybe at best. They have no position players ready to come up and take a spot on the bench or fill in for someone if there's an injury, and that's pretty sad.
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