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Old 05-05-2012, 04:16 PM
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Answer to #3.....Going to Sox games in 1970.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:44 PM
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3) What is love?
Love is unconditional - You love the Sox regardless of Kenny's failures, Ozzie's mouth, Dunn's appendix (and subsequent fail of a season), the White Flag trade, The Blacksox scandal and the first game ever at the new Comiskey that you paid a scalper $250/seat to attend.

Love will make you do crazy things - like staying at the opening game of the 2006 season for the whole thing or continuing to go to and watch games in the second half of 2007.

Love is continuing to post at WSI - regardless of the ranting, anger and obsessive pollyannaishness (new word of the day - it's mine, but you can use it) of many of the posters.

Love is baseball season in all it's frustrating joyous glory...
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:51 PM
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Love is a battlefield.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:54 PM
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"Love is all around"- The Troggs 1968.

JR is a very loyal man, sometimes that works in your favor, sometimes it doesn't. He's not going to change his ways at this stage in his life.

Eventually massive change will come to the organization and we'll see how it responds to it.

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Old 05-05-2012, 07:34 PM
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Maybe Williams is controllable.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:20 PM
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Also possible JR thinks KW is a good GM whose just had a string of bad luck.
The thing is, you objectively can't tell. A fan or a casual observer can't anyway. There is no experimental control to prove whether Kenny Williams is a bad general manager who got lucky and built the only Chicago baseball champion since World War I was being fought to a standstill and Babe Ruth was an elite pitcher, or a great general manager who through bad luck managed to win only one championship in a century when only two teams have won two and only two championships.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:19 PM
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:07 PM
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Makes you wonder that the best player on the team is one Ron Shueler aquired
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:36 PM
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Makes you wonder that the best player on the team is one Ron Shueler aquired
Not for long, really. You are talking about Paul Konerko. There was a time when the best player on the White Sox was a player drafted by a general manager let go by the Cubs after he left the White Sox.

What would make me wonder is if the best player on the White Sox were a .260-hitter acquired in a trade for Konerko. Fortunately, I don't have to do that.

In fact, there was a time in the 1970s when the best player on the Atlanta Braves was signed from a Negro Leagues team when the Braves were still a Boston team.

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Old 05-06-2012, 10:37 AM
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KW's Dunn and Peavy trades are paying off this season and Roben Ventura was a good decision for Manager. At the risk of getting singed here KW has done well this year.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:52 PM
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Blaming the fans for the team's problems is an old scape-goating piece of nonsense. We are not obligated to attend one game a season. Loyalty is a two-way street and I just don't blindly give my loyalty to anyone.

As far as Reinsdorf not getting much heat, it is hard to argue with two three-peats even if the Bulls haven't done anything since Jordan left. And obviously, who do you have to compare Reinsdorf to? Bill Wirtz was awful and drove a once proud franchise into the ground. The Tribune Company won next to nothing. The Bears are run by a family that is always behind the rest of the league and their team has been to a grand total of one Super Bowl since the great 1985 team.

I attended games in 1970, too. That owner was a nice man, but he didn't have the resources or the know-how to run a baseball team. Reinsdorf does have one last place finish but his team didn't never lost 106 games.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:06 PM
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Blaming the fans for the team's problems is an old scape-goating piece of nonsense. We are not obligated to attend one game a season. Loyalty is a two-way street and I just don't blindly give my loyalty to anyone.


I guess a lot of fans feel like you do, the Sox are 29th out of 30 in attendance so far this year.
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Blaming the fans for the team's problems is an old scape-goating piece of nonsense. We are not obligated to attend one game a season. Loyalty is a two-way street and I just don't blindly give my loyalty to anyone.

As far as Reinsdorf not getting much heat, it is hard to argue with two three-peats even if the Bulls haven't done anything since Jordan left. And obviously, who do you have to compare Reinsdorf to? Bill Wirtz was awful and drove a once proud franchise into the ground. The Tribune Company won next to nothing. The Bears are run by a family that is always behind the rest of the league and their team has been to a grand total of one Super Bowl since the great 1985 team.

I attended games in 1970, too. That owner was a nice man, but he didn't have the resources or the know-how to run a baseball team. Reinsdorf does have one last place finish but his team didn't never lost 106 games.
How are the Sox being disloyal?
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:16 PM
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3) What is love?
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perserveres. Love never fails."

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Old 05-06-2012, 10:40 PM
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In the last 5 years or so:
Swisher 1 and Swisher 2 were awful trades. It's hard to get much worse.
Jackson 1 was bad.
The rest were in the "meh" range really.
But there really haven't been any good ones. Peavy won't turn out that bad, but in the end, we paid a ton of salary and got one year out of Peavy (hopefully we get that 1) and we could have gotten someone else trading all those young players.
He hasn't been a productive GM.
I'm sure he'll move along in the next year or so. I just hope he doesn't start trading the little young talent we have in the meantime.
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