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Old 05-03-2012, 12:09 PM
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Except that Escobar was a below average hitter in the minor leagues. You've got almost 2,400 PA over 6 seasons that produced a slash line of .270/.315/.351.
Those are 1980's light hitting SS all-star numbers!
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:30 PM
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I understand your point but I wonder at what point the patience runs out and management decides that Beckham has failed to adjust to big league pitching. This is early in year four for him and other than plate appearances, his numbers in the 1st three years all declined. The big league pitchers have adjusted to him and I really hope that he figures it out.
There will come a point where patience runs out, no question. Like I said earlier in the thread, I think you give it until Memorial Day and see where we're at then. By that point, you've got roughly 50 games off the schedule and that's plenty enough sample size to make some judgments.

You are absolutely correct that Beckham's numbers have declined every year. I don't think you can completely wipe the slate clean just because there is a new manager and a new hitting coach this year, but at the same time, you want to at least give guys opportunities to make a fresh start under a new regime.

So far, it looks like Dunn is going to rebound to his career norms. Rios isn't hitting for much pop, but at least he has rediscovered that it's legal to hit the ball to right field. The one struggling hitter from last year who hasn't shown anything at all is Beckham. Ozzie and Walker couldn't help Gordon, and maybe Ventura and Manto can't either. Maybe Beckham just sucks. But I want to give the kid 50 or so games under the new regime before I kick him to the curb.

It would be one thing if the organization had another big infield prospect that was being blocked by Beckham. That's not the case, so I figure let's ride this out another month and see what happens. Not a popular opinion in the "win now" culture, I know, but I disagree with the idea that Beckham should go to AAA right now. Maybe I'll feel differently on June 1.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:03 PM
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Those are 1980's light hitting SS all-star numbers!
Here is something I don't get, those numbers are perfectly acceptable out of a nine hitter. I know that with this lineup we can't really afford to have another nine hitter but in general I would absolutely take those numbers out of a guy in the lower end of my lineup if he can play great defense as well.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:27 PM
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Here is something I don't get, those numbers are perfectly acceptable out of a nine hitter. I know that with this lineup we can't really afford to have another nine hitter but in general I would absolutely take those numbers out of a guy in the lower end of my lineup if he can play great defense as well.
Yeah but those numbers were compiled in A to AAA ball, anyone who thinks Escobar is going to be hitting .270 in the Majors is cray cray
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:58 PM
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Yer not gonna win many games in which you score 3 runs.

Also, I'm interested in this concept of hitting HRs with men on base the Indians showed us tonite.
Are teams now allowed to do that?
Maybe the Sox didn't get the memo.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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At one point last week 16 of the Sox 21 home runs for the year were solo shots. Don't know what the latest numbers show.

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Old 05-03-2012, 04:22 PM
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At one point last week 16 of the Sox 21 home runs for the year were solo shots. Don't know what the latest numbers show.

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Old 05-03-2012, 04:39 PM
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Yeah but those numbers were compiled in A to AAA ball, anyone who thinks Escobar is going to be hitting .270 in the Majors is cray cray
I get what you are saying but there is no way to know that for sure. Some guys have actually done better in the majors than in the minors. Some guys do worse. I don't really know what to expect out of the kid but even if he hit .245, stole some bases, scored some runs, played solid D, and didn't give away ABs, it would be more production than we've gotten so far out of Beckham. Lillibridge is another bench player who has never really gotten an "every day" chance in the big leagues. It is unknown what kind of production he is capable of over the long haul. The ideal situation is that Beckham starts to hit like he did circa 2009 and all of this becomes a moot discussion.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:44 PM
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Before anyone asks...

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TEAM   HR   SOLO   PCT
CHW    26    20    76.92
SEA    25    19    76.00
TBR    31    21    67.74
LAA    21    14    66.67
NYY    38    25    65.79
TOR    32    21    65.63
TEX    37    23    62.16
AL    15.0  10.2  68.095
KCR    20    11    55.00
DET    24    13    54.17
OAK    20    10    50.00
CLE    19     9    47.37
MIN    14     6    42.86
BOS    29    12    41.38
BAL    34    11    32.53
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Before anyone asks...

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TEAM   HR   SOLO   PCT
CHW    26    20    76.92
SEA    25    19    76.00
TBR    31    21    67.74
LAA    21    14    66.67
NYY    38    25    65.79
TOR    32    21    65.63
TEX    37    23    62.16
AL    15.0  10.2  68.095
KCR    20    11    55.00
DET    24    13    54.17
OAK    20    10    50.00
CLE    19     9    47.37
MIN    14     6    42.86
BOS    29    12    41.38
BAL    34    11    32.53
We've finally found an offensive category in which we lead the league!
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:55 PM
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We've finally found an offensive category in which we lead the league!
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:56 PM
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Before anyone asks...

Code:
TEAM   HR   SOLO   PCT
CHW    26    20    76.92
SEA    25    19    76.00
TBR    31    21    67.74
LAA    21    14    66.67
NYY    38    25    65.79
TOR    32    21    65.63
TEX    37    23    62.16
AL    15.0  10.2  68.095
KCR    20    11    55.00
DET    24    13    54.17
OAK    20    10    50.00
CLE    19     9    47.37
MIN    14     6    42.86
BOS    29    12    41.38
BAL    34    11    32.53
Really helps explain our offensive troubles... and Baltimore's early success. 67% of their HRs come with someone on. Mercy!
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:47 PM
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Gordon doesn't get the glove or his ass down on a ground ball that should have ended the inning and costs us three runs. But hey at least he's hitting .185 to justify being on the team!

And since Hawk says the ball was "hit hard" that should buy him another 5 weeks with the big league club.
I'm beginning to loathe Gordon Beckham.
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