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Old 10-19-2011, 04:32 PM
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We're number 1!
The jury is still out, but Beckam, Morel, Sale, Reed, Axelrod and Hudson all are recent products of our system. Put them all back in AAA and our system looks much better.
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:35 PM
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The jury is still out, but Beckam, Morel, Sale, Reed, Axelrod and Hudson all are recent products of our system. Put them all back in AAA and our system looks much better.
And? All teams graduate prospects. Most teams are able to replenish the farm. Axelrod (who isn't much of a prospect) and Reed haven't graduated yet either.
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:36 PM
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And? All teams graduate prospects. Most teams are able to replenish the farm. Axelrod and Reed haven't graduated yet either.
Many argue - with some merit - that many of them were promoted too soon.
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:38 PM
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Many argue - with some merit - that many of them were promoted too soon.
I only have issue with Beckham. I'm okay with Morel's timetable. Sale was and is ready as a reliever. Axelrod, Reed, and Santiago were primarily September callups or spot starters.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:17 PM
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Source indicates that the CBA holdup has moved OFF of hard slots for the draft, but capping draft and int'l spending is in play.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:29 PM
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Also discussed: scaled/weighted spending caps for teams based on standings/draft position.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:39 PM
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We're number 1!
Callis is a boob and a die-hard Cub fan to boot.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:50 PM
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Callis is a boob and a die-hard Cub fan to boot.
That's nice. Doesn't make the statement any less true.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:55 PM
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That's nice. Doesn't make the statement any less true.
Cubbie fans have been decrying the Sox farm system for years and often claiming that the Cubbie farm system was teaming with hot prospects.
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:35 PM
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And? All teams graduate prospects. Most teams are able to replenish the farm. Axelrod (who isn't much of a prospect) and Reed haven't graduated yet either.
And that raises an interesting point. Do the Cubs have a prospect in their minor league system as good as Addison Reed? If so, who is it?
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:26 PM
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And that raises an interesting point. Do the Cubs have a prospect in their minor league system as good as Addison Reed? If so, who is it?
Brett Jackson, Javier Baez, Trey McNutt, & Matt Szczur.

Reed is a fine prospect, but he's merely a reliever. After him, there is pretty much nothing. Callis isn't the only one noting the Sox having the worst system by far right now.
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:07 PM
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Brett Jackson, Javier Baez, Trey McNutt, & Matt Szczur.

Reed is a fine prospect, but he's merely a reliever. After him, there is pretty much nothing. Callis isn't the only one noting the Sox having the worst system by far right now.
I know the Sox farm system needs work. I'm just not sold on how good the Cubs farm system is. Reed is almost certainly on the 2012 White Sox. Of the four Cubs prospects you mentioned, Jackson might be with the big club but that's about it and the jury is still out on how high a ceiling he might have. Reed could become a big league closer.

Aren't the Cubs rumored to be moving McNutt to Boston as compensation for Theo Epstein?
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:13 PM
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I know the Sox farm system needs work. I'm just not sold on how good the Cubs farm system is. Reed is almost certainly on the 2012 White Sox. Of the four Cubs prospects you mentioned, Jackson might be with the big club but that's about it and the jury is still out on how high a ceiling he might have. Reed could become a big league closer.

Aren't the Cubs rumored to be moving McNutt to Boston as compensation for Theo Epstein?
Who knows about the compensation to Boston. Selig might be stepping in on that. The Cubs farm system indeed had a down year this season, but it's still light years ahead of the Sox. Especially after spending $11 million on the 2011 draft. As far as Jackson, his ceiling with the Cubs is an above average regular that plays a fine CF. That positional value trumps any reliever easily. There's a reason top prospect lists aren't littered with relievers. They are largely fungible pieces. Not sure why we are comparing the two farm systems though. If we want to compare bad farms, the Marlins are probably second worst.

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Old 10-31-2011, 02:18 PM
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Dirty, speaking of the Marlins farm system..did you get a chance to watch Brad Hand pitch at all this year?

I played hockey with him as a kid, and played against him in baseball a few times throughout high school (he could absolutely rake). Pretty cool to see him pitch for the Marlins this season, but does he have a chance to be a legitimate major league starter? He had some good starts and some bad ones, but he also jumped from AA to the majors.
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Old 10-31-2011, 02:28 PM
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Dirty, speaking of the Marlins farm system..did you get a chance to watch Brad Hand pitch at all this year?

I played hockey with him as a kid, and played against him in baseball a few times throughout high school (he could absolutely rake). Pretty cool to see him pitch for the Marlins this season, but does he have a chance to be a legitimate major league starter? He had some good starts and some bad ones, but he also jumped from AA to the majors.
I don't know as much about the Marlins' farm as others, but in Sickels' 2011 preseason rankings, he was given a B- and was the organization's 5th best prospect. In his postseason list review John noted:

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3.81 ERA with 56/38 K/BB in 85 innings, 72 hits for Double-A Jacksonville. 4.08 ERA with 24/25 K/BB in 40 innings for the Marlins, 34 hits. Was rushed to the majors. Poor component ratios don't support the ERA and I think he needs more minor league time.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/...ects-in-review

Seems to have some control/command issues to iron out from what I can gather, and has middle to back of the rotation potential if things pan out. It looks like he's a legitimate prospect.
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