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Old 06-15-2011, 10:25 PM
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Jackson/Hudson deal keeps looking better RT @OwenSerey Holmberg dominant again tonight. 7 IP, 10 K's, 2 hits. 27 consecutive scoreless IP
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Bad trade is still bad.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:50 AM
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Bad trade is still bad.
No question...hated it then, still hate it now.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:22 PM
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KG also mentioned him today in his minor league update. Notes a fastball that has consistently gotten into the upper 90s, and a low-80s slider with good movement and almost doubles as a changeup due to the velocity separation. Also thinks he could be in the Bigs by September.
I'd like to know where that radar gun reading came from. The gun in Birmingham is notoriously fast.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:40 PM
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Rookie ball is starting right about now - Great Falls debuts tonight.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:07 AM
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Petricka finished up his rehab in Bristol and has been promoted to Winston-Salem.

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Old 06-27-2011, 12:44 PM
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Saladino is hot, and Kevin Goldstein wrote about him in his minor league update.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=14368
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:30 PM
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Bad trade is still bad.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/onlin...1/2612009.html

More on Holmberg....if this kid turns out this could go down as one of the worst trades in our history.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:23 AM
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Remenowsky promoted to Charlotte.
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:16 AM
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Remenowsky promoted to Charlotte.
I like it. I'd also like to see Kuhn and Marrero moved up, who have been solid performers and all stars at Birmingham.

I didn't see this elsewhere, but there were some other players moved around in the farm system earlier this week as well:

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox...-roster-moves/
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:56 PM
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Saladino hit his 10th HR of the season tonight. 5 in his last 7 games. Sleeper prospect is emerging this year. Major helium right now.
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Old 07-02-2011, 11:47 PM
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No question...hated it then, still hate it now.
OK, the trade didn't work out. Not all of them do. It's not worst trade of the past couple of years, as that prize goes to the second Nick Swisher deal (the one with the Yanks).

Some people, like Phil Rogers in this article, will just not let the Hudson/Jackson trade go and continue to berate KW for making the trade. As a Sox fan, I find Rogers' incessent complaining about this deal fairly annoying, particularly in light of the lack of complaining about the Cubs' seven player swap with Tampa Bay to get Matt Garza.

Garza'a numbers this year? 4-6 with a 4.07 ERA with 9.4 K's and 3.4 BB's per 9 innings. Jackson's numbers? 5-6 with a 4.24 ERA with 7.8 K's and 3 BB's per 9 innings. Garza and Jackson are both 27.

Garza and Jackson are similar pitchers and have pitched roughly the same this year. The Cubs didn't give up two prospects for Garza,; they gave up four (pitcher Chris Archer, shortstop Hak-Ju Lee, catcher Robinson Chinnos and and outfielder Brandon Guyer) plus major league outfielder Sam Fuld. The Cubs gave up a lot of talent all across the diamond to get Garza. Funny, the silence from Rogers on the Garza deal is deafening.

And unlike the Cubs (who really have no choice but to hold onto Garza), the Sox can move Jackson at the trading deadline when John Danks is ready to come off the DL. And given the lack of starting pitching available at the trade deadline, the Sox should be able to obtain a pretty good value for Jackson.

One more thing -- if people are not going to stop complaining about the Hudson deal, shouldn't people be at least as vocal praising KW for signing Phil Humber when Oakland released him? And remember, if the Sox didn't trade for Jackson (and still had Hudson), then the Sox might have brought in a another veteran starter in the offseason (someone like say, Jon Garland) as insurance for Peavy, as they would not have necessarily wanted to rely on a young starter such as Hudson. And who knows, in that scenario, maybe they wouldn't have signed Humber at all, as Hudson would have filled the position of 6th starter/long man in the bullpen. That was Humber's role in the beginning of this year but given the opportunity to start, Humber blossomed.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:31 AM
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OK, the trade didn't work out. Not all of them do. It's not worst trade of the past couple of years, as that prize goes to the second Nick Swisher deal (the one with the Yanks).

Some people, like Phil Rogers in this article, will just not let the Hudson/Jackson trade go and continue to berate KW for making the trade. As a Sox fan, I find Rogers' incessent complaining about this deal fairly annoying, particularly in light of the lack of complaining about the Cubs' seven player swap with Tampa Bay to get Matt Garza.

Garza'a numbers this year? 4-6 with a 4.07 ERA with 9.4 K's and 3.4 BB's per 9 innings. Jackson's numbers? 5-6 with a 4.24 ERA with 7.8 K's and 3 BB's per 9 innings. Garza and Jackson are both 27.

Garza and Jackson are similar pitchers and have pitched roughly the same this year. The Cubs didn't give up two prospects for Garza,; they gave up four (pitcher Chris Archer, shortstop Hak-Ju Lee, catcher Robinson Chinnos and and outfielder Brandon Guyer) plus major league outfielder Sam Fuld. The Cubs gave up a lot of talent all across the diamond to get Garza. Funny, the silence from Rogers on the Garza deal is deafening.

And unlike the Cubs (who really have no choice but to hold onto Garza), the Sox can move Jackson at the trading deadline when John Danks is ready to come off the DL. And given the lack of starting pitching available at the trade deadline, the Sox should be able to obtain a pretty good value for Jackson.

One more thing -- if people are not going to stop complaining about the Hudson deal, shouldn't people be at least as vocal praising KW for signing Phil Humber when Oakland released him? And remember, if the Sox didn't trade for Jackson (and still had Hudson), then the Sox might have brought in a another veteran starter in the offseason (someone like say, Jon Garland) as insurance for Peavy, as they would not have necessarily wanted to rely on a young starter such as Hudson. And who knows, in that scenario, maybe they wouldn't have signed Humber at all, as Hudson would have filled the position of 6th starter/long man in the bullpen. That was Humber's role in the beginning of this year but given the opportunity to start, Humber blossomed.
The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:07 AM
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The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.
You are wrong, I am not rationalizing the trade. I, too, wish the Sox had kept Hudson. But they didn't. KW probably concluded that Hudson's value had peaked and that he wouldn't be anything more than a mid to back of the rotation guy. That looks like a mistake now and, of course, the mistake can't be undone. Perhaps the Sox can mitigate their loss if they move Jackson at the 2011 trade deadline.

I am primarily saying two things: (1) GM's who try to accomplish anything will make mistakes and (2) KW should be recognized as loudly for his hits as he is criticized for his misses. On this board, posters often forget the hits and never seem to forget the misses.
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:25 PM
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The trade sucked and still sucks. Stop rationalizing it.
Regardless, the point of his post is still correct. Phil goes above and beyond with his criticism of KW's trades and pretty much runs away from the ones that he's flat out wrong about.

IMO fans spend too much time bitching and moaning about the rare prospect that got away, when in reality 95% of the guys KW traded end up being pieces of crap or bench players.
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:26 PM
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I am primarily saying two things: (1) GM's who try to accomplish anything will make mistakes and (2) KW should be recognized as loudly for his hits as he is criticized for his misses. On this board, posters often forget the hits and never seem to forget the misses.
Spot on, this is too obvious for some people.
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