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Old 03-24-2011, 08:34 AM
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Default McCulloch traded

http://twitter.com/eddymk/status/50649230594936832

Small move, but another 1st round bust moved on.
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:55 AM
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From the post Himes era up until Beckham in 2008, the Sox first rounders have been almost total busts. Here is the sad litany.

1991 Scott Ruffcorn
1992 Eddie Pearson
1993 Scott Christman
1994 Mark Johnson
1995 Jeff Liefer
1996 Bobby Seay (Didn't sign)
1997 Jason Dallaero
1998 Kip Wells
1999 Jason Stumm, Matt Ginter
2000 Joe Borchard
2001 Kris Honel
2002 Royce Ring
2003 Brian Anderson
2004 Josh Fields
2005 Lance Broadway
2006 Kyle McCullough
2007 Aaron Poreda

Only Wells made any significant contribution and he wasn't anything to write home about. I doubt any organization can come close to such sustained first round futility.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:13 PM
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From the post Himes era up until Beckham in 2008, the Sox first rounders have been almost total busts. Here is the sad litany.

1991 Scott Ruffcorn
1992 Eddie Pearson
1993 Scott Christman
1994 Mark Johnson
1995 Jeff Liefer
1996 Bobby Seay (Didn't sign)
1997 Jason Dallaero
1998 Kip Wells
1999 Jason Stumm, Matt Ginter
2000 Joe Borchard
2001 Kris Honel
2002 Royce Ring
2003 Brian Anderson
2004 Josh Fields
2005 Lance Broadway
2006 Kyle McCullough
2007 Aaron Poreda

Only Wells made any significant contribution and he wasn't anything to write home about. I doubt any organization can come close to such sustained first round futility.
Awful. Plus Dallaero and BA tried converting to the mound after failed attempts at their drafted positions.
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:51 PM
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But give KW credit. He addressed the problem and in the past three years, the Sox' first round picks have been Gordon Beckham, Jared Mitchell and Chris Sale. The Sox have gone for players with bigger upside and the resulting picks have been a lot better.
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Old 03-24-2011, 03:04 PM
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But give KW credit. He addressed the problem and in the past three years, the Sox' first round picks have been Gordon Beckham, Jared Mitchell and Chris Sale. The Sox have gone for players with bigger upside and the resulting picks have been a lot better.
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Old 03-24-2011, 03:15 PM
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But give KW credit. He addressed the problem and in the past three years, the Sox' first round picks have been Gordon Beckham, Jared Mitchell and Chris Sale. The Sox have gone for players with bigger upside and the resulting picks have been a lot better.
As I recall, before becoming GM, Kenny was the player development guy.
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Old 03-24-2011, 03:29 PM
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Don't count your chickens before they hatch
Whether or not they become stars is still to be determined. However, two of those guys have already done more than damn near everyone on that list.
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Old 03-24-2011, 03:29 PM
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He was for ten years as I recall.

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Old 03-24-2011, 07:34 PM
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1991 Scott Ruffcorn
1992 Eddie Pearson
1993 Scott Christman
1994 Mark Johnson
1995 Jeff Liefer
1996 Bobby Seay (Didn't sign)
1997 Jason Dallaero
1998 Kip Wells
1999 Jason Stumm, Matt Ginter
2000 Joe Borchard
2001 Kris Honel
2002 Royce Ring
2003 Brian Anderson
2004 Josh Fields
2005 Lance Broadway
2006 Kyle McCullough
2007 Aaron Poreda

Only Wells made any significant contribution and he wasn't anything to write home about.
The trades did more for the team than the first-rounders we kept. Thank you, LTP.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:51 PM
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The trades did more for the team than the first-rounders we kept. Thank you, LTP.
Interesting thought:

Ruffcorn: Sold to the Phillies. yes, sold.
Pearson: Released
Christman: Released
Johnson: Throw in in the deal that got us Billy Koch and Neal Cotts
Liefer: Had one pretty good year, then got us Bartolo Colon.
Wells: Got us the immortal Todd Ritchie.
Stumm: Released
Ginter: Traded for Timo Perez.
LTP: Thornton
Honel: Released
Ring: Deadline deal for Roberto Alomar
Anderson: Traded for Mark Kotsay
Fields: Traded for Mark Teahen
Broadway: Traded for Ramon Castro
Poreda: Traded for Peavy.

since 2000 I suppose they've been better about at least getting a return for our busted prospects... They must have gotten better about calling quits on them earlier.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:03 PM
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But give KW credit. He addressed the problem and in the past three years, the Sox' first round picks have been Gordon Beckham, Jared Mitchell and Chris Sale. The Sox have gone for players with bigger upside and the resulting picks have been a lot better.
These were not exactly tough picks. It was Gordon or Justin Smoak for us, win win there. No idea how Mitchell will turn out, was a good pick but also a typical easy sign, and how Sale magically fell into our laps I still don't know, but I am not complaining.
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Aaron Rowand was a quasi first round pick.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:02 PM
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Aaron Rowand was a quasi first round pick.
As was Gio.
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I doubt any organization can come close to such sustained first round futility.
If you look across the board, most teams have a ton of busts littering their first round for that same timeframe. For example, the Yankees have a pitiful record of first rounders. If it wasn't for some shortstop in 1992 and Hughes in 2004, they've been horrific.

1991 - Brien Taylor
1992 - Derek Jeter
1993 - Matt Drews
1994 - Brian Buchanan
1995 - Shea Morenz
1996 - Eric Milton
1997 - Tyrell Godwin
1998 - Andy Brown
1999 - David Walling
2000 - Dave Parrish
2001 - John-Ford Griffin
2002 - No Pick
2003 - Eric Duncan
2004 - Phillip Hughes
2005 - C.J. Henry
2006 - Ian Kennedy
2007 - Andrew Brackman
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:47 PM
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If you look across the board, most teams have a ton of busts littering their first round for that same timeframe. For example, the Yankees have a pitiful record of first rounders. If it wasn't for some shortstop in 1992 and Hughes in 2004, they've been horrific.
The difference here is that the Yankees have been drafting in the last 5 picks consistently since the early Nineties. The difference between a number 10 pick and a number 27 pick is usually exponential. Regardless of end result, its the difference between a Chris Sale or Gordon Beckham and an Andrew Brackman.
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