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Old 08-25-2010, 07:36 PM
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Good for BA...hopefully it all works out for him.
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Well, it is clear the Royals do not know who they have in their presence. Anderson was not part of the September call-ups.
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Well, it is clear the Royals do not know who they have in their presence. Anderson was not part of the September call-ups.
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Well, it is clear the Royals do not know who they have in their presence. Anderson was not part of the September call-ups.
The Royals are not known for rushing players to the MLB level like the White Sox are.
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:00 PM
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The Royals are not known for rushing players to the MLB level like the White Sox are.
Give me 10 legit prospects who were "ruined" because they were "rushed" to the big league level.
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:42 PM
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Give me 10 legit prospects who were "ruined" because they were "rushed" to the big league level.
Kip Wells
Jon Rauch
Mike Caruso
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:56 PM
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Kip Wells
Jon Rauch
Mike Caruso
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright
Joe Borchard couldn't hit a major league curveball. Most of those guys are just bad at baseball, and there's no evidence that leaving them in the minors would have helped them at all. I'll give you Rauch. We gave up on him too early.
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Old 09-02-2010, 06:01 PM
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Joe Borchard couldn't hit a major league curveball. Most of those guys are just bad at baseball, and there's no evidence that leaving them in the minors would have helped them at all. I'll give you Rauch. We gave up on him too early.
All of them were drafted in the first, second, or third round, they were not bad at baseball, they were not developed to the pro game, there is no evidence that the White Sox didn't completely botch developing them as players.

But I'm quite sure you know much more about developing young players than I do.
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Old 09-02-2010, 06:28 PM
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All of them were drafted in the first, second, or third round, they were not bad at baseball, they were not developed to the pro game, there is no evidence that the White Sox didn't completely botch developing them as players.

But I'm quite sure you know much more about developing young players than I do.
Let's take all of those players, and replace them with players drafted in the same round and year as the New York Yankees:

Jeff Motuzas
Alex Graman
Andy Brown
David Parrish
Andrew Brackman
Eric Duncan
Brien Taylor
Gary Winrow

Nothing special. All of these guys drafted in the first 3 rounds, yet none of them are very good at baseball. I still have yet to see any evidence than any of the players you named were unsuccessful because they got to the majors leagues.

And yes, I'm sure your a major league scout yourself. You ought to be first in line to replace ozzie with your treasure trove of baseball intellect.
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Let's take all of those players, and replace them with players drafted in the same round and year as the New York Yankees:

Jeff Motuzas
Alex Graman
Andy Brown
David Parrish
Andrew Brackman
Eric Duncan
Brien Taylor
Gary Winrow

Nothing special. All of these guys drafted in the first 3 rounds, yet none of them are very good at baseball. I still have yet to see any evidence than any of the players you named were unsuccessful because they got to the majors leagues.

And yes, I'm sure your a major league scout yourself. You ought to be first in line to replace ozzie with your treasure trove of baseball intellect.
The Yankees are not big on development. They just use their money to treat the other MLB teams are their farm teams. This is why pitching is usually their weakness---teams are loath to part with good pitchers.

For good development oriented teams, look at Tampa and the Twins.
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:51 PM
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Let's take all of those players, and replace them with players drafted in the same round and year as the New York Yankees:
I don't follow the Yankees, and I don't give a rat's ass what they do with their draft picks or how they develop them.

Joe Borchard had a ton of talent, and astounding power from both sides of plate, and the White Sox failed miserably in developing that five million dollar investment, believe it or not players can be taught to recognize and hit breaking balls if you are willing to spend on both the time and the instructors to do that.

It's easy to point out system successes, and write off the failures as they were bad at baseball, but the reality is far from that.
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I don't follow the Yankees, and I don't give a rat's ass what they do with their draft picks or how they develop them.
But that's completely not addressing the other poster's point.
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Kip Wells
Jon Rauch
Mike Caruso
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright
I remember a scout once saying you could give Caruso a hundred years in the minors and he would never turn into a major league shortstop. I don't know about the others though. Fields could have been a nice power hitter, but I don't think anyone was going to teach him how to field.
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But that's completely not addressing the other poster's point.
The other poster was using the Yankees in an apples and oranges comparison. The Yankees don't have to develop players because they rely on their financial firepower to stock up their 25 man roster. If I was a young player and got drafted by the Yanks, I would assume it would be more likely I would be wearing someone else's uniform if I made it to the Show.

The White Sox don't have the ability to open up the checkbook to fill whatever holes they develop. This is why player development is critical for the White Sox. The Rays and Twins, in my opinion, are two teams that do it better than most.
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