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Old 08-16-2010, 01:43 PM
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Well, the way I see it, the Sox draft picks were all about signability before 2006. Now, IMHO, it's about half signability and half talent, but more often than not, signability takes priority before talent. The Sox brass has made it sound like they are basing draft picks on talent alone, which I don't think is true at all.
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:53 PM
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Well, the way I see it, the Sox draft picks were all about signability before 2006. Now, IMHO, it's about half signability and half talent, but more often than not, signability takes priority before talent. The Sox brass has made it sound like they are basing draft picks on talent alone, which I don't think is true at all.
1. It has been, and will ALWAYS be about signability in this organization. [Together with the drafting weakness and developmental weakness and th utter lack of an international scouting dept, this is one of the reasons why the Jackson trade was stupid.]

2. A 360 degree turn means that you're still heading the same direction as before the turn. A 180 degree turn means that you're heading in the opposite direction after the turn. Hence, the bolded part of your previous post was confusing. Can you clarify this geometric reference?
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Old 08-16-2010, 02:08 PM
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2. A 360 degree turn means that you're still heading the same direction as before the turn. A 180 degree turn means that you're heading in the opposite direction after the turn. Hence, the bolded part of your previous post was confusing. Can you clarify this geometric reference?
No, you are right. I meant 180 when I said 360. Wow, just wow...Can't believe I didn't figure that out long before. Haha, I guess that's what a lack of sleep does to me
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:51 PM
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What we are seeing today almost across the board in the draft-pick signings: Most teams are completely ignoring the slot recommendations. 13 minutes ago via web
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:06 PM
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Except for the White Sox
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Old 08-16-2010, 06:17 PM
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What we are seeing today almost across the board in the draft-pick signings: Most teams are completely ignoring the slot recommendations. 13 minutes ago via web
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Except for the White Sox
Overpaying for unproven talent for a team that has a history of not being able to develop talent is not a very wise move.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:28 PM
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No Grimes.

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Old 08-16-2010, 10:35 PM
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Figures.

Supposedly slot was around $250,000 and he was seeking near $500,000. Not a big deal for most teams.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:51 PM
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http://twitter.com/ysportsncaabb/statuses/21371379334


Pathetic draft spending is pathetic.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:46 PM
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Oh the White Sox. They hand out a pathetic $3.75 million. Their budgets for 2009 and 2010 combined will be less than some teams' 2010s. less than a minute ago via web



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Old 08-17-2010, 08:35 AM
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Oh the White Sox. They hand out a pathetic $3.75 million. Their budgets for 2009 and 2010 combined will be less than some teams' 2010s. less than a minute ago via web



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That's really unfortunate.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:59 AM
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Maybe instead of constantly complaining about what the Sox spend you should look at what they have brought in! Some of you are saying to spend spend spend on players that none of us have ever seen. I think rather than complaining about the Sox not spending money on those kids I have never seen, I will just trust in the fact that they have had 3 ML's in 3 years and the system is getting better with the likes of Morel, Danks, Mitchell, Thompson, ect. Not to mention they have spend millions on Vicedo and Alexei and I don't think they have done too bad.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:30 AM
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Maybe instead of constantly complaining about what the Sox spend you should look at what they have brought in! Some of you are saying to spend spend spend on players that none of us have ever seen. I think rather than complaining about the Sox not spending money on those kids I have never seen, I will just trust in the fact that they have had 3 ML's in 3 years and the system is getting better with the likes of Morel, Danks, Mitchell, Thompson, ect. Not to mention they have spend millions on Vicedo and Alexei and I don't think they have done too bad.
The Sox have one of the worst (IF NOT THE WORST) Farm in all of baseball. Some teams draft poorly, some develop poorly, some spend poorly, the Sox do all 3!

Morel is nice but not a very highly regarded prospect. Jordan Danks is a dime a dozen 4th-5th OF prospect, Trayce Thompson jury is still out some love him some hate him, Mitchell was a step in the right direction, but drafting a total tear down project like he was is dangerous for a team that has no idea how to develop anyone.

There isn't much to be excited about with our system. Morel may realistically be our best prospect outside of Sale, and he projects as a sub 800 OPS 3rd base, not exactly setting the world on fire.

Edit: Also, there are some guys here who have seen these kids and are very versed on the minor league system. I don't claim to be one of them, but we have some really smart posters with the minor leagues here.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:48 AM
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Figures.

Supposedly slot was around $250,000 and he was seeking near $500,000. Not a big deal for most teams.
This is criminal. A mere $250K? For ****s sake, this is a ****ing joke!

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Pathetic draft spending is pathetic.
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Oh the White Sox. They hand out a pathetic $3.75 million. Their budgets for 2009 and 2010 combined will be less than some teams' 2010s. less than a minute ago via web
And yet, KW will throw around a combined $12M to sign a SP with questionable numbers in the little boy NL, and a greedy agent. This is the DEFINITION of Penny wise, but POUND foolish.

Remember this, SOX fans, when KW can't get a trade done in the coming years because he doesn't have the ammo to do so. Or when the SOX don't have an adequate injury replacement for a starting player in the minors in the next few years. Or when the SOX can't put together a competitive team because they don't have the money to fix all of the holes in the roster.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:58 AM
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Maybe instead of constantly complaining about what the Sox spend you should look at what they have brought in! Some of you are saying to spend spend spend on players that none of us have ever seen.
I prefer to view draft bonuses as an investment into the future. Cheap/young players that are under club control enable the team to invest more into FA to fill holes. It enables KW to get trades done. It enables the team to have adequate temporary injury replacements for the big club. It enables a team to remain competitive/relevant over the LONG HAUL, rather than constantly ebbing and flowing above and below .500.

The additional $250K on Grimes may not have paid off EVER. But, in the big view of things, it isn't all that much money, compared to having to pay a BORAS CLIENT $8.35M in his walk year, for example.

$8.35M to a BORAS CLIENT in his walk year to a guy who hasn't been consistently-good is the definition of "spend spend spend," IMO.

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I think rather than complaining about the Sox not spending money on those kids I have never seen, I will just trust in the fact that they have had 3 ML's in 3 years and the system is getting better with the likes of Morel, Danks, Mitchell, Thompson, ect. Not to mention they have spend millions on Vicedo and Alexei and I don't think they have done too bad.
It would help to compare what the SOX system has provided, both in terms of players IN the SOX, as well as available to trade. The reality is that "3 ML's in 3 years" is really craptacular, when compared to other organizations.


As an aside, I don't believe the SOX need to have a top ten minor league system. Nor should they want to, IMO. But in a big market like Chicago, having even an AVERAGE system would work wonders for this organization.

Last edited by khan; 08-17-2010 at 11:24 AM. Reason: I had to correct some grammatical errors.
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