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Old 08-06-2010, 12:28 PM
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Brian Goodwin the 15th round pick from last years draft is projected to be a Top 3 pick in 2012. Keith Law picked him as the #3 rated prospect at Cape League. Goodwin is #1 rated sophmore. Kenny should of went to Reinsdorf to give him a big bonus to avoid going to college. With the lack of money we spend on the international market we should put more money in the draft. Dane Williams is another one we let go last year that is a future 1st round draft pick.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:55 PM
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This happens to every team. Just about every 1st round pick from college was drafted 3-4 years earlier and chose not to sign. Very few teams, let alone the Sox, can afford to be handing out 4-5 1st-round value contracts to 10th-round and plus draft picks on the off chance one of them might be the real deal. Hell, guys picked in the 1st round are a big enough crapshoot, you want to give a guy picked #523 in the country several million dollars? That's crazy.
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Old 08-06-2010, 02:13 PM
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Goodwin fell as low as 15th because of his strong college commitment and tough signability as evidenced by the fact he is a Boras client. Not to mention, he was a high school player with not much power so teams stayed away.
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Old 08-06-2010, 04:45 PM
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Other than Joe Borchard, Stevan Upchurch, and Jordan Danks we never go over the MLB slot recommendation. Those 3 signings have been great!!!There is a reason why are farm system has been one of worse for the past decade. Thank God we were able to trade Borchard for Thornton.
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Old 08-06-2010, 05:47 PM
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Other than Joe Borchard, Stevan Upchurch, and Jordan Danks we never go over the MLB slot recommendation. Those 3 signings have been great!!!There is a reason why are farm system has been one of worse for the past decade. Thank God we were able to trade Borchard for Thornton.
I'm with ya on that note. It's frustrating we constantly draft guys that sign near slot and when we do bust slots, it's for crap players like Upchurch and Danks in lower rounds. It also doesn't help we do a real great job of developing prospects, be it tweaking mechanics or giving time to develop.

Having said that, Goodwin did drop to 15th round. If other teams thought he was worth the money, they would have nabbed him higher. I assume Goodwin never intended to sign unless he got 1st round money so once he went past the 1st round, teams just didn't bother with him. Would've been nice to add him to our farm system but not necessarily a huge loss.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:34 PM
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Other than Joe Borchard, Stevan Upchurch, and Jordan Danks we never go over the MLB slot recommendation. Those 3 signings have been great!!!There is a reason why are farm system has been one of worse for the past decade. Thank God we were able to trade Borchard for Thornton.

The Sox not paying over slot is not the reason the minor league system is in the state it is in, there are plenty of teams that either don't draft guys that are demanding huge money, or draft talent that is easier to sign, yet still have a good minor league system.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:59 PM
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Look at the change of philosophy around the league. Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, and Oakland are putting an extra $5-7 million in the draft, international signings, going over the MLB slot recommendations and they have the best farm systems in the game. Boston, Dodgers, Philadelphia, Yankees, Texas have been doing it for years are always producing players in their systems. Then you have teams like the White Sox, Mets, and Houston who obey Selig/slot recommendations and continue to be on the bottom of the farm systems. We need to change are way of spending money. If that means we take $5 million off the roster, I'm all for it because it will save us money in the long run by producing players in your own farm system.
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Old 08-06-2010, 07:37 PM
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Look at the change of philosophy around the league. Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, and Oakland are putting an extra $5-7 million in the draft, international signings, going over the MLB slot recommendations and they have the best farm systems in the game. Boston, Dodgers, Philadelphia, Yankees, Texas have been doing it for years are always producing players in their systems. Then you have teams like the White Sox, Mets, and Houston who obey Selig/slot recommendations and continue to be on the bottom of the farm systems. We need to change are way of spending money. If that means we take $5 million off the roster, I'm all for it because it will save us money in the long run by producing players in your own farm system.
The best farm systems according to whom?

You want to see a farm systems that develops MLB players?

Look north, the Twins do it better than anyone, and they don't give huge signing bonuses to unproven talent.

If you want a change in the spending, don't do it by squandering dollars on maybes, and spend it on scouting and development, for every amateur player the White Sox scout the Twins and Dodgers, among others, scout 5. Armed with that knowledge they draft from a position of strength, not from a position of payroll.
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:06 PM
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According to Baseball America
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Old 08-08-2010, 07:16 PM
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The best farm systems according to whom?

You want to see a farm systems that develops MLB players?

Look north, the Twins do it better than anyone, and they don't give huge signing bonuses to unproven talent.

If you want a change in the spending, don't do it by squandering dollars on maybes, and spend it on scouting and development, for every amateur player the White Sox scout the Twins and Dodgers, among others, scout 5. Armed with that knowledge they draft from a position of strength, not from a position of payroll.
The Twins minor league system isn't quite as strong as it once was. They may have some solid prospects, but their AA team has the worst record in all of pro ball and their AAA team isn't any better than Charlotte.
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The Twins minor league system isn't quite as strong as it once was. They may have some solid prospects, but their AA team has the worst record in all of pro ball and their AAA team isn't any better than Charlotte.
Measuring a minor league system by a team's wins and losses is very, very foolish.
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Old 08-08-2010, 07:39 PM
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Measuring a minor league system by a team's wins and losses is very, very foolish.
Ahhh. Of course.

I am aware of that. But records can be telling...especially when one is the worst in all of professional baseball.

The Twins do things right with their minor league system, but it is not what it was a few years ago.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:28 PM
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Look at the change of philosophy around the league. Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, and Oakland are putting an extra $5-7 million in the draft, international signings, going over the MLB slot recommendations and they have the best farm systems in the game. Boston, Dodgers, Philadelphia, Yankees, Texas have been doing it for years are always producing players in their systems. Then you have teams like the White Sox, Mets, and Houston who obey Selig/slot recommendations and continue to be on the bottom of the farm systems. We need to change are way of spending money. If that means we take $5 million off the roster, I'm all for it because it will save us money in the long run by producing players in your own farm system.
Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Oakland... There's some winning philosophies we need to emulate.
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Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Oakland... There's some winning philosophies we need to emulate.
Just because they are lousy now doesn't mean they will be lousy forever. It will take a few years at least to see if their work on younger players will pay off. One of these years the Sox will suddenly find themselves looking at an extended dry spell due to their poor drafting and developing of young talent.
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Just because they are lousy now doesn't mean they will be lousy forever. It will take a few years at least to see if their work on younger players will pay off. One of these years the Sox will suddenly find themselves looking at an extended dry spell due to their poor drafting and developing of young talent.
Oakland maybe, but their GM has a philsophy of always playing for the next few years down the road, so unless the best 3 pitchers in the league simultaneously fall in his lap again, I'm not holding my breath.

The Royals and Pirates, for as "great" as their farm system is, only develop a handful of good MLB players. Between the two, over the last few years, we have Zack Greinke (looking like, perhaps, a flash in the pan) and Andrew McCutchen. Wowzers.
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