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Old 07-08-2010, 10:10 AM
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I like putting a starter in a ML bullpen for a 1/2 season or so.

My question is rushing a first round draft choice for middle relief work.
There seems to be little long term thinking at all in this organization.
"Rushing" is all dependent on the player. If Sale is able to handle multiple levels of the minors, there's no reason not to promote him except to keep him another year further from free agency. Also, part of the negotiations that got him signed so quickly is the White Sox willingness to give him a shot to move up to the majors quickly. They would look completely disingenuous if they didn't give him the opportunity, which would hurt them long term with every draft pick.

Bottom line, the White Sox did the proper short and long term planning.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:36 AM
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I like putting a starter in a ML bullpen for a 1/2 season or so.

My question is rushing a first round draft choice for middle relief work.
There seems to be little long term thinking at all in this organization.
You're right, we'll always be "hand to mouth" until (some day) we actually have a consistent pipeline of talent working it's way through the minor league system.

If we had any LH relief depth in the organization, we wouldn't need to consider him a potential option for later this season.

We have almost nothing below AAA right now. A few years ago, we had nothing above AA.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:04 AM
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You're right, we'll always be "hand to mouth" until (some day) we actually have a consistent pipeline of talent working it's way through the minor league system.

If we had any LH relief depth in the organization, we wouldn't need to consider him a potential option for later this season.

We have almost nothing below AAA right now. A few years ago, we had nothing above AA.
Relievers are one of the few positions where the Sox have some quality below AAA.

As far as Sale's situation, I don't have a problem with it. If he continues to succeed, he moves up. If he struggles, he doesn't.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:39 PM
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:24 PM
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Bottom line, the White Sox did the proper short and long term planning.
Hope you're right.
But my impression is that he's not a particularly high ceiling pick and that we drafted him with the intention of using him quickly. I just don't think that that's the best use of a draft and a major cause of our persistent thin organization.


I hope your impression is the correct one.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:38 PM
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Hope you're right.
But my impression is that he's not a particularly high ceiling pick and that we drafted him with the intention of using him quickly. I just don't think that that's the best use of a draft and a major cause of our persistent thin organization.


I hope your impression is the correct one.
I'm not a draft/prospect expert by any means, but it was my impression that he was a complete steal where we got him. He was ranked top 5 in the draft. Sounds pretty high ceiling to me.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:03 PM
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I'm not a draft/prospect expert by any means, but it was my impression that he was a complete steal where we got him. He was ranked top 5 in the draft. Sounds pretty high ceiling to me.
Correct, most places had him that high and would consider him a steal. I think Keith Law is the only one who isn't enamored with him.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:20 PM
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:59 PM
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Hope you're right.
But my impression is that he's not a particularly high ceiling pick and that we drafted him with the intention of using him quickly. I just don't think that that's the best use of a draft and a major cause of our persistent thin organization.
Sale was considered to be the top college pitching prospect in the draft and most consider him to be a future front-end of the rotation pitcher. His stuff is pretty impressive, although he does have a 3/4 arm slot and an unorthodox delivery, which brings about the question on whether or not he's an injury risk. While it is not very White Sox-like to bring a guy to the majors the year he was drafted, I'm sure that will only be the case if he proves himself along the way.

I think we have a pretty deep major league roster and some talent in AAA that is able to help out. I will admit that Birmingham is pretty putrid, W/S is full of players that should be past that level and Kanny is also wanting for more talent. But farm systems can be turned around pretty quickly with 1 or 2 good drafts.

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Old 07-08-2010, 11:44 PM
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Correct, most places had him that high and would consider him a steal. I think Keith Law is the only one who isn't enamored with him.
What a shocker!
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:20 AM
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What a shocker!
To be fair, he had him in the 40's even before the White Sox drafted him. He just isn't a big fan of Sale.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:43 AM
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I like what the Sox are doing with Sale. Look at guys like Wood, Prior and Willis, all put up way too many innings their draft year and it came back to bite them.

If the bullpen experiment doesn't work out, he didn't get overworked and begins next year in AA as a starter.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:46 AM
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If the bullpen experiment doesn't work out, he didn't get overworked and begins next year in AA as a starter.
If the bullpen DOES work out he needs to start next year as a starter.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:36 AM
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If the bullpen DOES work out he needs to start next year as a starter.
Don't think Russ was indicating otherwise.
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:55 PM
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I like what the Sox are doing with Sale. Look at guys like Wood, Prior and Willis, all put up way too many innings their draft year and it came back to bite them.
I don't mean to be nitpicky and rude but all the guys you listed barely pitched in their draft years (Wood pitched 7.1 innings, Prior didn't pitch at all and Willis pitched 28). Still, I agree that having Sale pitch in the pen should be beneficial to his short term health.

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If the bullpen experiment doesn't work out, he didn't get overworked and begins next year in AA as a starter.
I really hope so. The Sox have rushed, albeit only two I can think of, prospects based on ST performance (Rauch and Logan) Also, I think he would begin his season in Charlotte if he does not make the rotation, considering that's where he would have pitched last this season.
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