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Old 11-17-2008, 03:17 PM
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El Cabillo was a thirdbasemen in the minors?
El caballo was, yes. I think the switch to OF was a good move for him.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:49 PM
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What is the deal with Broadway? Have they just given up on this kid or what? When I have seen him pitch, he always looks pretty good, but I wasn't sure what the deal was with his future in our organization.
It's not that hard to look decent pitching mop-up duty in September. At this point does he project as much more than he is right now? A 14th or 15th pitcher on a good ballclub?
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:35 PM
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It's not that hard to look decent pitching mop-up duty in September. At this point does he project as much more than he is right now? A 14th or 15th pitcher on a good ballclub?
Weird, every time I saw him come in in September, he got his **** rocked.
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:39 PM
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Old 11-17-2008, 05:44 PM
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Borchard is a prime example of the White Sox rushing a prospect only to watch him fail under the pressure. An unneccesary waste of 5 million dollars.
Daver, in your opinion, do you think that Joe Borchard would have developed into a quality MLB player if he had been drafted and developed by, say, the Twins?
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Old 11-17-2008, 05:55 PM
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Daver, in your opinion, do you think that Joe Borchard would have developed into a quality MLB player if he had been drafted and developed by, say, the Twins?
Borchard just sucked. Maybe if he was in the A's system, he might have faired better.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:10 PM
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Daver, in your opinion, do you think that Joe Borchard would have developed into a quality MLB player if he had been drafted and developed by, say, the Twins?
It's diffucult to say really, the Twins more than likely wouldn't have drafted him if given the chance.

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Borchard just sucked. Maybe if he was in the A's system, he might have faired better.
This is downright laughable.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:29 PM
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This is downright laughable.
The A's have a track record of helping guys enhance their power.

Joe Borchard, however, just sucked.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:36 PM
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The A's have a track record of helping guys enhance their power.

Joe Borchard, however, just sucked.
Joe Borchard didn't need help with power, he needed help with plate discipline, pitch recognition, and timing, thus my point that his post was laughable. The A's are no better than the Sox in player development.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:02 PM
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He really thinks that PK will still be on our team in 2012? I love Paulie, but he looked like an old man last season. I cannot imagine what he will be like in 2012. Maybe an Edgar Martinez type player? I just don't see it.
Edgar 2009 > Paulie 2009
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:36 PM
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Borchard is a prime example of the White Sox rushing a prospect only to watch him fail under the pressure. An unneccesary waste of 5 million dollars.
Didn't Joe get almost 1,000 at bats in the minors before he was called up? Considering he hit pretty well in AA and AAA beforehand, I don't think you can say he was rushed.
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:05 PM
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Joe Borchard didn't need help with power, he needed help with plate discipline, pitch recognition, and timing
Sounds more like someone that didn't want to play baseball.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:05 PM
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Didn't Joe get almost 1,000 at bats in the minors before he was called up? Considering he hit pretty well in AA and AAA beforehand, I don't think you can say he was rushed.
Through 2004, he had amassed 1,987 plate appearances in the minors. Yes, he had cups of coffee in 2002-3, but didn't see any significant playing time until '04.

He did hit that monster shot against Philadelphia, though, so he'll always have the footnote of having hit the longest homer in The Cell.

Ultimately, turning him into Matt Thornton was probably one of KW's best trades ever.
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:44 AM
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I look forward to seeing how CJ Retherford and Jack Egbert do next year. Before this year (that started off with an injury), Egbert and his sinkerball have done very well the past few years. And Retherford (23) has posted solid numbers considering he went from GRF in '07, skipped Kanny, straight to W/S in '08.
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Old 11-18-2008, 08:55 AM
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That's because it's written by Phil Rogers. They only charge for expert's opinions.
Actually, that was pretty well written, and I'm one of the first to bash Phil.

I guess since the Cubs weren't involved he was able to stay objective...
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