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Old 11-03-2008, 01:28 PM
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Default Sweeping changes to Sox minor league system

Here are all the coaching changes.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotr...ng-change.html
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:37 PM
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Don't know much about these guys, so all I can do is hope for brighter days from our farm system.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:32 PM
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How about Kenny and the front office spend some money in the draft instead of going cheap every year and watches those coaches look 10-fold better.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:40 PM
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How about Kenny and the front office spend some money in the draft instead of going cheap every year and watches those coaches look 10-fold better.
Yes, it's not like we signed Danks or Upchurch this draft.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:13 PM
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The addition of Chambliss is a good move, Gary Ward probably not so much, if they had to bring back a former coach I think Von Joshua would have been a much better move. Oester is also a good addition, but I have been told a cardboard cutout would be an improvement on Trillo.

Now they just need to change the philosphy on how these players progress.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:15 PM
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:55 PM
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Yes, it's not like we signed Danks or Upchurch this draft.
Wow they spent a little on Danks and Upchurch...still doesn't change that year after year the Sox pinch pennies when it comes to the draft. They spent 4.6 million this year which sucks cause Beckham signed for around 3 million. They spent 2.7 million in 2007, which is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

There's a direct coralation between teams that go over slot and top farm systems. Boston, Yankees, San Fran, Nationals, KC and TB all spend and all have very good or coming up farm systems.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:09 PM
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Wow they spent a little on Danks and Upchurch...still doesn't change that year after year the Sox pinch pennies when it comes to the draft. They spent 4.6 million this year which sucks cause Beckham signed for around 3 million. They spent 2.7 million in 2007, which is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

There's a direct coralation between teams that go over slot and top farm systems. Boston, Yankees, San Fran, Nationals, KC and TB all spend and all have very good or coming up farm systems.
The Nationals have an abysmal farm system. KC doesn't have that great of a system either. San Francisco is boosted by a good deal of foreign guys. We obviously don't have the resources of Boston and NY, so I'm not sure why they were included.

If you want to complain about aspects of our farm system, our drafting philosophy the last two seasons shouldn't rate very close to the top.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:14 PM
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The Nationals have an abysmal farm system. KC doesn't have that great of a system either. San Francisco is boosted by a good deal of foreign guys. We obviously don't have the resources of Boston and NY, so I'm not sure why they were included.

If you want to complain about aspects of our farm system, our drafting philosophy the last two seasons shouldn't rate very close to the top.
How about the last three seasons? That 2006 draft has a chance of being one of the worst drafts in mlb history. There's a chance no one from that draft gets a sniff of the majors. Truly a terrible, terrible draft.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:17 PM
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Wow they spent a little on Danks and Upchurch...still doesn't change that year after year the Sox pinch pennies when it comes to the draft. They spent 4.6 million this year which sucks cause Beckham signed for around 3 million. They spent 2.7 million in 2007, which is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

There's a direct coralation between teams that go over slot and top farm systems. Boston, Yankees, San Fran, Nationals, KC and TB all spend and all have very good or coming up farm systems.

Spending does not cure the inability to develop talent, but don't let that interfere with your perfectly good delusion.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:23 PM
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How about the last three seasons? That 2006 draft has a chance of being one of the worst drafts in mlb history. There's a chance no one from that draft gets a sniff of the majors. Truly a terrible, terrible draft.
Not as bad as you say. Texeira, Shelby, and Gerst have shown flashes. Justin Cassel's been great, despite not striking anyone out.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:50 PM
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The Nationals have an abysmal farm system. KC doesn't have that great of a system either. San Francisco is boosted by a good deal of foreign guys. We obviously don't have the resources of Boston and NY, so I'm not sure why they were included.

If you want to complain about aspects of our farm system, our drafting philosophy the last two seasons shouldn't rate very close to the top.
The Nationals farm system isn't abysmal at all, after years of no ownership they are finally starting to focus on their farm systems and spend some cash on the draft.

Outside of the Rangers there isn't a farm system I'd rather have then San Fran. Villanola, Bumgarner, Sosa, Posey and Alderson are all great prospects.

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You sure, 5-6 years ago the Yankees and Sox had nothing in the farm system. They now spend some money and look at all the homegrown talent those two have turned out of the last 2-3 years.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:56 PM
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You sure, 5-6 years ago the Yankees and Sox had nothing in the farm system. They now spend some money and look at all the homegrown talent those two have turned out of the last 2-3 years.
Compared to what?

The Twins spend less than them by far and have a far superior farm system from the bottom up. A farm system is not rated by a handful of good players by anyone other than fantasy baseball players.

But please continue to cling to your delusion that overpaying for prospects is the way to a winning farm system.
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:10 PM
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LEts be honest, the system is a mess because its a cluster**** of problems. It starts on draft day. We have Borchardphobia. Unwilling to spend on prime ceiling players. We draft like a small market penny pinching team. Its 100% because of fear. You can throw out all the Danks (who is over rated as all hell, who showed no power, and fell off so much from high school to college plenty of teams boards did not have him near as high as Kenny took him, but you know Kenny, he got his guy. ) you want. We did not have a great draft last year. We had a top 10 pick, we did not walk out with a top 10 draft.

2 years ago, we passed on one of the top 5-10 arms in the entire minor league system right now, Rick Porcello, because of Boras and $$$$, instead drafting Aaron Poreda. Sorry if it is upsetting to watch a guy projected to be a top of the rotation starter go to our division rival, while we draft a left handed set up man.

We have to spend some money. We also need to figure out how the hell to bring guys along and develop them, because we really suck at that. Too many guys with some future have busted out. We are addressing this now, but we still need to get over this Scott Boras crap, or we will keep being LOSERS in the draft. And yes, when you draft in the top 10, and you DO NOT have a top 10 draft, you are a loser!
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:31 PM
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LEts be honest, the system is a mess because its a cluster**** of problems. It starts on draft day. We have Borchardphobia. Unwilling to spend on prime ceiling players. We draft like a small market penny pinching team. Its 100% because of fear. You can throw out all the Danks (who is over rated as all hell, who showed no power, and fell off so much from high school to college plenty of teams boards did not have him near as high as Kenny took him, but you know Kenny, he got his guy. ) you want. We did not have a great draft last year. We had a top 10 pick, we did not walk out with a top 10 draft.

2 years ago, we passed on one of the top 5-10 arms in the entire minor league system right now, Rick Porcello, because of Boras and $$$$, instead drafting Aaron Poreda. Sorry if it is upsetting to watch a guy projected to be a top of the rotation starter go to our division rival, while we draft a left handed set up man.

We have to spend some money. We also need to figure out how the hell to bring guys along and develop them, because we really suck at that. Too many guys with some future have busted out. We are addressing this now, but we still need to get over this Scott Boras crap, or we will keep being LOSERS in the draft. And yes, when you draft in the top 10, and you DO NOT have a top 10 draft, you are a loser!
You are truly hilarious. Danks is overrated, but is ripping the **** out of the Arizona Fall League. He also had a solid debut and did well in independent ball prior to signing.

Poreda is merely a left-handed set-up guy, despite dominating every level thus far as a starting pitcher. Meanwhile, you are already projecting Rick Porcello to be a top of the rotation guy.

Also, you can't say this was a bad draft. We won't be able to rank it for years, but if you aren't impressed with Carter, Beckham, Danks, and others at this point, you're kidding yourself. We made some good decisions the last two seasons; they won't show for a few years, but it doesn't make them any less worthy.
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