Carl Crawford?

[Thome25]

Originally Posted by Jjav829

I agree with you here. Even for Carl Crawford, it would be hard for me to say part with McCarthy. It's not just as simple as looking at the player we're getting in return. Crawford is a great player. One of the best young players around. But the reality is that several of our starters are getting up in age, and they are all going to be free agents very soon. We don't want to be in a situation in two years where we have Carl Crawford but our pitching staff is Garland, a very old Contreras, Broadway, Haegar, __________. McCarthy's age and contract status is extremely valuable to us.

Like I said in an earlier post, this team has a relatively small window to win with the players we have now.

I'd hate to see us not win the WS again with the team constructed the way it is now because we didn't go out and get the players we need to win now. (Crawford would help us now and in the future.)

What's more important? Winning with a strong club now and getting the pieces we need to win the WS, or worrying about what the club might look like in 2010?

I'm a little greedy now. I want to see another World Champion NOW and not worry about what the starting rotation is going to look like from 2010-2015.

There's going to be another downturn for this team in the future. Every team has them. Instead of worrying about that we should focus on winning it all while we still have the chance.

[otis]

From what I have heard, the DRays view trading Crawford as their best option to get young starting pitching. He is considered tradeable because of Delmon Young. If the White Sox make a play, look for a three way trade with a national league playoff type team. The Sox would ship a starter (Not McCarthy) for a package that would go to TB with the Sox getting Crawford.

[getonbckthr]

One of 2 deals I would offer Tampa:
Vazquez (plus $4 million dollars) and either Anderson or Sweeney, decide who is in CF next season.

Other would be Mccarthy and Owens.

[Hitmen77]

Originally Posted by Palehose13

The source was the Arlington Heights Daily Herald

Here's a direct link to the Daily Herald article:

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=234093

[Flight #24]

Originally Posted by Jjav829

I agree with you here. Even for Carl Crawford, it would be hard for me to say part with McCarthy. It's not just as simple as looking at the player we're getting in return. Crawford is a great player. One of the best young players around. But the reality is that several of our starters are getting up in age, and they are all going to be free agents very soon. We don't want to be in a situation in two years where we have Carl Crawford but our pitching staff is Garland, a very old Contreras, Broadway, Haegar, __________. McCarthy's age and contract status is extremely valuable to us.

Well said. For everyone saying "Carl's young & cheap", it's really Carl + Garcia or McCarthy plus whatever you can buy for 10-12M (Garcia+Crawford salaries).

And that's just for '07. For '08 it would be ???? plus Crawford after Garcia leaves.

I'd give up Fields if I had to. But I don't think I'd give up McCarthy. Garcia/Vazquez+Sweeney+Broadway is a very nice return for Tampa.

[Ol' No. 2]

Originally Posted by Hitmen77

Here's a direct link to the Daily Herald article:

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=234093

All I read in that article is a lot of speculation by Scot Gregor. He's never been what you'd call a reliable source in the past.

I'm sure Kenny would love to have Carl Crawford. This is news?

[Flight #24]

Originally Posted by otis

From what I have heard, the DRays view trading Crawford as their best option to get young starting pitching. He is considered tradeable because of Delmon Young. If the White Sox make a play, look for a three way trade with a national league playoff type team. The Sox would ship a starter (Not McCarthy) for a package that would go to TB with the Sox getting Crawford.

That makes some sense, and what might also make sense is the Mets. I'd bet they'd love to get a guy like Garcia, who'd come on a 1-year deal at a reasonable price and give them some solid insurance for Pedro going down again. He could come to the NL and dominate. Only question is what young pitching they'd be willing to part with.

[DaleJRFan]

Originally Posted by otis

From what I have heard, the DRays view trading Crawford as their best option to get young starting pitching. He is considered tradeable because of Delmon Young. If the White Sox make a play, look for a three way trade with a national league playoff type team. The Sox would ship a starter (Not McCarthy) for a package that would go to TB with the Sox getting Crawford.

This scenario makes the most sense. Move Vazquez/Garcia to the NL for MLB-ready prospects (similar to the Hudson and Mulder trades) and couple those prospects with our own for Crawford... maybe... still sounds too good to be true!

[Rocky Soprano]

Please let this happen, I want Crawford on the Sox!

[Hitmen77]

Originally Posted by palehozenychicty

.... McCarthy has a chance to be good, with a projected ceiling as a #3, but he is replaceable.

How is he replacable? Where do the Sox find another #3 starter that they can have for cheap for several seasons to come? Our farm system hasn't exactly been cranking out the successful starters.

[PorkChopExpress]

Originally Posted by Flight #24

That makes some sense, and what might also make sense is the Mets. I'd bet they'd love to get a guy like Garcia, who'd come on a 1-year deal at a reasonable price and give them some solid insurance for Pedro going down again. He could come to the NL and dominate. Only question is what young pitching they'd be willing to part with.

A deal with St. Louis may be a possibility, dealing Buehrle, St. Louis dealing that Wainwright kid and the Sox getting Crawford. I'm sure there will have to be some minor-league fillers as well, but I could see KW making a deal like this as he has made it clear he will deal anybody. Don't get me wrong, I do not want this to be the deal since I think Buehrle will bounce back strong next year, but when was the last time KW listened to what I want?

[skottyj242]

Charlie Haeger.

[soxfan13]

Originally Posted by DaleJRFan

Why does everyone keep calling McCarthy a "prospect"?? Am I the only one who watched the games he started? How about an 8 strikeout dominating performance? Or maybe shutting down Boston on Labor day??

I just don't understand why anyone would want to trade a legit #3 and potential staff ace that the Sox would control for six seasons - even for Carl Crawford. I just don't get it. Maybe someone can make a case otherwise and I'll agree with trading McCarthy....

Why do people that are die hard McCarthy backers seem to forget his first 3 or 4 starts and his one other start this year, where he showed glimpses of just being a marginal major league pitcher not the second coming of CY Young.

[hi im skot]

Originally Posted by PorkChopExpress

A deal with St. Louis may be a possibility, dealing Buehrle, St. Louis dealing that Wainwright kid and the Sox getting Crawford. I'm sure there will have to be some minor-league fillers as well, but I could see KW making a deal like this as he has made it clear he will deal anybody. Don't get me wrong, I do not want this to be the deal since I think Buehrle will bounce back strong next year, but when was the last time KW listened to what I want?

Buehrle isn't going anywhere.

Especially when there are so many other trade options.

[Jjav829]

Originally Posted by soxfan13

Why do people that are die hard McCarthy backers seem to forget his first 3 or 4 starts and his one other start this year, where he showed glimpses of just being a marginal major league pitcher not the second coming of CY Young.

Maybe because he was a rookie and a rookie's first few starts aren't exactly a great indicator of what type of pitcher he will turn out to be.