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Old 07-31-2004, 08:08 PM
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Having lost most of our minor league prospects to trades that, ultimately, will not bring us a World Series title this year or several thereafter, how are we going to rebuild our farm system?
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Old 07-31-2004, 08:17 PM
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Having lost most of our minor league prospects to trades that, ultimately, will not bring us a World Series title this year or several thereafter, how are we going to rebuild our farm system?
Your kidding right?
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Old 07-31-2004, 08:22 PM
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Your kidding right?
Actually I think he is being serious, or at least trying to be. Our farm system has been good for hardly more than growing weeds for most of the 14 years since Ron Schueler inherited what Larry Himes gave him.

Who was our last homegrown talent to make a significant contribution? Sandwich pick Jim Parque?
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Old 07-31-2004, 08:29 PM
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Actually I think he is being serious, or at least trying to be. Our farm system has been good for hardly more than growing weeds for most of the 14 years since Ron Schueler inherited what Larry Himes gave him.

Who was our last homegrown talent to make a significant contribution? Sandwich pick Jim Parque?
Mark Buerhle, a 56th round pick leaps to mind.

As does Carlos Lee.

And just for laughs, there is that little known guy by the name of Magglio Ordonez.
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Old 07-31-2004, 08:34 PM
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Mark Buerhle, a 56th round pick leaps to mind.

As does Carlos Lee.

And just for laughs, there is that little known guy by the name of Magglio Ordonez.
I thought Ordonez was a minor league pick up. My mistake. He was an undrafted prospect.

And *never* trade those 56th round picks. They are truly diamonds in the rough!

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Old 07-31-2004, 08:56 PM
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I thought Ordonez was a minor league pick up. My mistake. He was an undrafted prospect.

And *never* trade those 56th round picks. They are truly diamonds in the rough!

Magglio and Carlos were both signed as minor league FA's, the draft does not include South American players.
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Old 08-01-2004, 12:59 AM
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I thought Ordonez was a minor league pick up. My mistake. He was an undrafted prospect.

And *never* trade those 56th round picks. They are truly diamonds in the rough!

Well, MB was a 38th round pick. Carlos and Maggs were signed by Sox Latin America scouts and have only ever played for the White Sox organization.

Next home-grown-player to contribute? Likely Brian Anderson or Munoz, but McCarthy and Sweeney and Fields really aren't all that far behind, IMO, all about 2 years away (regulars in 2006 or 2007), if they stay healthy.

In regards to Bob's comment: KW has traded many of these prospects for legit, every-day MLB players, therefore, whether they contribute or not to their future clubs, KW traded them when they had accumulated value and was able to turn them into sure-fire major leaguers. Bob, your entire system of evaluation is just off-base, and I'm not sure I can say anything to get you headed in the realistic direction after some of your previous comments on the issue.
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Old 07-31-2004, 11:23 PM
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Mark Buerhle, a 56th round pick leaps to mind.

As does Carlos Lee.

And just for laughs, there is that little known guy by the name of Magglio Ordonez.
Maybe the question should be: Who is going to be the next homegrown talent to make a significant postive contriubtion to the White Sox. And after that is answered, I'll follow it with: When??

The fact that our farm system has run dry for 4 years is scary considering 4 years ago we had the #1 farm system in all of baseball. It wasn't until the last 2 years that we decided to move all this so called talent. Though I have noticed a trend where people who said last year we gave up low level prospects for ALomar or Everett are suddenly saying that if these guys weren't traded we'd have major league ready talent. Which is it??? Also, if we gave up such low level prospects last year, where are our upper level prospects?


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Old 08-01-2004, 10:36 AM
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Maybe the question should be: Who is going to be the next homegrown talent to make a significant postive contriubtion to the White Sox. And after that is answered, I'll follow it with: When??

The fact that our farm system has run dry for 4 years is scary considering 4 years ago we had the #1 farm system in all of baseball. It wasn't until the last 2 years that we decided to move all this so called talent. Though I have noticed a trend where people who said last year we gave up low level prospects for ALomar or Everett are suddenly saying that if these guys weren't traded we'd have major league ready talent. Which is it??? Also, if we gave up such low level prospects last year, where are our upper level prospects?


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Excellent post Bob. Williams' minor league operation is not getting the job done plain and simple.
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Old 08-01-2004, 01:23 PM
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Having lost most of our minor league prospects to trades that, ultimately, will not bring us a World Series title this year or several thereafter, how are we going to rebuild our farm system?
1) You rebuild your front office with top front office talent, that actually have a clue about drafting talent at every position.

2) You rebuild your scouting department with scouts who actually have a clue about assessing talent, and how to rank them.

3) You have a support system for these kids in place--great managers, hitting and pitching instructors, etc. Role models, if you will, for these players.

4) Then you draft, having your priorities - pitching, infield, etc.
You pray that some of your picks actually make it. Josh Hamilton is a great example of one who has god-given talent, but in his earlier days went with the wrong crowd, and now is trying to get back.

I have my doubts about our current front office's ability to draft, then mentor, the kids. That's the reason why the Sox have been trading for proven talent, because the kids aren't ready to step in and make an impact.

The last one, maybe two drafts, are a step in the right direction, but a ton more is needed every year.
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How's this for an answer? Who gives a ****, I'll worry about the Sox. Forgive me if I don't care much about the Knights, Barons, and Warthogs, etc.
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:33 PM
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How's this for an answer? Who gives a ****, I'll worry about the Sox. Forgive me if I don't care much about the Knights, Barons, and Warthogs, etc.
well you have to give a **** about the future when the sox arent doing jack this year!
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Old 08-02-2004, 03:48 PM
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well you have to give a **** about the future when the sox arent doing jack this year!
Well I am a believer of a few things. First, the Sox are still very much alive and kicking. Second, teams that rely on their farm system to produce enough talent to be serious and consistent contenders never do well. Therefore, the minor leagues, IMO, are really only valuable to deliver a handful of players to the MLB team, while the rest need to be acquired externally. The Sox's farm system has produced its fair share of MLB regulars. We have failed at filling internal gaps with external solutions.
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Old 08-01-2004, 03:59 PM
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1) You rebuild your front office with top front office talent, that actually have a clue about drafting talent at every position.

2) You rebuild your scouting department with scouts who actually have a clue about assessing talent, and how to rank them.

3) You have a support system for these kids in place--great managers, hitting and pitching instructors, etc. Role models, if you will, for these players.

4) Then you draft, having your priorities - pitching, infield, etc.
You pray that some of your picks actually make it. Josh Hamilton is a great example of one who has god-given talent, but in his earlier days went with the wrong crowd, and now is trying to get back.

I have my doubts about our current front office's ability to draft, then mentor, the kids. That's the reason why the Sox have been trading for proven talent, because the kids aren't ready to step in and make an impact.

The last one, maybe two drafts, are a step in the right direction, but a ton more is needed every year.
We have Josh Hamilton?
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Old 08-01-2004, 05:12 PM
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Disclaimer -

The name Josh Hamilton was used as an example to baseball as a whole...in no way was it designated to mean that the Chicago White Sox own the rights to Josh Hamilton.

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