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Old 09-28-2013, 09:07 PM
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Default Jeff Manto "relieved of duties"

According to Hawk on the broadcast tonight. No official announcement yet.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:13 PM
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I just heard that too. Obviously the hitting coach's fault for some of the atrocious situational approaches we have been witness to this year.

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Old 09-28-2013, 09:24 PM
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It's Walker's fault.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:27 PM
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Not very surprising reading Rick's comments. I'm hoping they tear down and rebuild the entire organization when it comes to hitting.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:29 PM
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Eh. You can't coach up ****, but I'm not convinced he can coach up guys who can hit.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:30 PM
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Who is the fielding coach?
Who is the base running coach?
Who is the hit the cut off man coach?

Those guys need to go too.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:37 PM
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Who is the fielding coach?
Who is the base running coach?
Who is the hit the cut off man coach?

Those guys need to go too.
This is a good point. Yeah, they can't hit, but they didn't do much of anything else right, either. Just firing Manto is a sacrificial lamb move, when the team needs an overhaul. There'd better be more coming.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:50 PM
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This is a good point. Yeah, they can't hit, but they didn't do much of anything else right, either. Just firing Manto is a sacrificial lamb move, when the team needs an overhaul. There'd better be more coming.
As I mentioned in the 100 loss thread we were watching Rookie League baseball with the Sox this year.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:07 AM
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This is a good point. Yeah, they can't hit, but they didn't do much of anything else right, either. Just firing Manto is a sacrificial lamb move, when the team needs an overhaul. There'd better be more coming.
According to ESPN article, Hahn said no other changes will be made and Robin will return.
Better than that is the Dunn comment that "You're not going to find a better hitting coach".....................................





http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...ach-jeff-manto
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:38 PM
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Who is the fielding coach?
Who is the base running coach?
Who is the hit the cut off man coach?

Those guys need to go too.
Ventura?
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:43 PM
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Who is the fielding coach?
Who is the base running coach?
Who is the hit the cut off man coach?

Those guys need to go too.
A lot of that used to be Jeff Cox, who actually did some teaching at the major league level. Cox taught Ramirez how to bunt, Ramirez never having bunted before he came up to the White Sox.

Major league coaching is usually a maintenance thing rather than an instruction thing, although Ted Williams and Charley Lau did some successful instructing at the major league level. Minor league coaches are more often the instructors. Hitting coaches don't teach players to hit at the major league level. They work with them to get the most out of what they can do. Hitting coaches in some organizations and pitching coaches in others tend to be scapegoats. In a few cases (Rudy Jaramillo comes to mind) they get too much credit.

You would have to be part of the team, though, to know if Manto was a scapegoat or if he was having problems working with the hitters.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:51 PM
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Does it seem like this ball team cans hitting coaches more often than other teams? Sacrificial Lamb, Scapegoat, Whipping Boy: You name it. Is he the reason there are zero plus OBP guys on the roster? It's a place to start.

Hahn does a nice press conference compared to Kenny. At least the writers have got to like his direct approach better.
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:24 AM
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A lot of that used to be Jeff Cox, who actually did some teaching at the major league level. Cox taught Ramirez how to bunt, Ramirez never having bunted before he came up to the White Sox.

Major league coaching is usually a maintenance thing rather than an instruction thing, although Ted Williams and Charley Lau did some successful instructing at the major league level. Minor league coaches are more often the instructors. Hitting coaches don't teach players to hit at the major league level. They work with them to get the most out of what they can do. Hitting coaches in some organizations and pitching coaches in others tend to be scapegoats. In a few cases (Rudy Jaramillo comes to mind) they get too much credit.

You would have to be part of the team, though, to know if Manto was a scapegoat or if he was having problems working with the hitters.
Yeah I think your right on this. Although I could be wrong but I did hear once that Manto instructed hitters to swing at the first pitch. If true, I can't see that being a good approach to hitting.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:56 AM
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Who is the fielding coach?
Who is the base running coach?
Who is the hit the cut off man coach?

Those guys need to go too.
I posted a comment Dennis Eckersley posted after an early September Red Sox/White Sox series in Boston. The White Sox had made several bad plays:

1. A flyball that fell among 2nd/RF/CF gathering
2. A catcher throw into CF on a steal
3. A stolen base and neither 2nd or SS covered so no throw
4. A pop up at the mound that looked like a fire drill but was caught.

Eck then commented that the Red Sox both home and away have aggressive infield sessions before games.
Now Boston has had 3 different 3B and SS and 2 IB this season due to injuries and the Peavy trade so that explains some of the extra workouts.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:05 PM
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I just heard that too. Obviously the hitting coach's fault for some of the atrocious situational approaches we have been witness to this year.

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