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View Poll Results: What should we do with Sale for the rest of the year?
Shut him down! Not worth the risk. 5 4.63%
Ease him out. Miss a few starts. 54 50.00%
Pitch him and build up arm strength so he's effective longer next year. 37 34.26%
Let him eat churros! 12 11.11%
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:06 AM
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Default Should we shut down Sale?

With the season lost and Sale looking like a disaster yesterday, do we shut him down for the year? Or have him skip a few starts? He fell apart at the end of the year last year too, maybe he needs to take a start or two off? Is pitching him even now worth the risk? What does everybody think?
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:23 AM
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Give the kid a couple of starts off. It's a long season.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:12 AM
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Should have tapered him back a month ago.

Bland, I'd be interested to hear your take on Rienzo.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:13 AM
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No! He isn't a baby, you eventually have to let him pitch a whole season.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:23 AM
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Sale needs to continue to pitch because he has a lot to learn.

He's very talented, but he needs to learn to concentrate on making a good pitch every time he throws the ball because that pitch can be the difference in the ballgame. (See the first home run he allowed last night.)

Sale also needs to learn to control his emotions on the mound. His act, perhaps picked up from Peavy, of visibly getting mad after making a mistake is getting old. It only compounds the original mistake. (See the second home run he allowed last night.)
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:16 AM
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Sale needs to continue to pitch because he has a lot to learn.

He's very talented, but he needs to learn to concentrate on making a good pitch every time he throws the ball because that pitch can be the difference in the ballgame. (See the first home run he allowed last night.)

Sale also needs to learn to control his emotions on the mound. His act, perhaps picked up from Peavy, of visibly getting mad after making a mistake is getting old. It only compounds the original mistake. (See the second home run he allowed last night.)
I agree with you.
I don't like this stopping pitchers in August stuff. He does have great room for improvement.
As I've said a million times, I just think we should have taken it easy on the number of pitches he actually throw in a given game.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:23 PM
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Sale needs to continue to pitch because he has a lot to learn.

He's very talented, but he needs to learn to concentrate on making a good pitch every time he throws the ball because that pitch can be the difference in the ballgame. (See the first home run he allowed last night.)

Sale also needs to learn to control his emotions on the mound. His act, perhaps picked up from Peavy, of visibly getting mad after making a mistake is getting old. It only compounds the original mistake. (See the second home run he allowed last night.)


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Old 08-24-2013, 02:11 PM
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Sale needs to continue to pitch because he has a lot to learn.

He's very talented, but he needs to learn to concentrate on making a good pitch every time he throws the ball because that pitch can be the difference in the ballgame. (See the first home run he allowed last night.)

Sale also needs to learn to control his emotions on the mound. His act, perhaps picked up from Peavy, of visibly getting mad after making a mistake is getting old. It only compounds the original mistake. (See the second home run he allowed last night.)
Chris Sale is probably one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball. He is in the top 10 in ERA and SO. He is also still young and as such still gaining experience.
I bet fans of every pitcher in the top 10 would say their guy needs to concentrate on making a good pitch every time they throw the ball. What ML pitcher already makes a good pitch every time they throw the ball????
Sale has been damn good so far. I am not sure why he should control his emotions. Overall being emotional has been pretty successful for him. Heck we had plenty of people say Rios wasn't emotional enough. I know Clemens and Shilling were very much like Peavy when they made a bad pitch. They probably needed to follow the make a good pitch every time rule as well.
Sale is a great pitcher on a lousy team. I hope he doesn't make too many adjustments because a top 10 ML pitcher is very rare.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:24 AM
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No! He isn't a baby, you eventually have to let him pitch a whole season.
I agree, if he can't pitch a whole season now, how can the Sox expect him to pitch late in the season when they are playoff bound. This shutting down pitchers trend is getting ridiculous.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:26 AM
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He's an ace. Aces pitch the whole season.

He's got 6-7 more starts. If they want to watch his innings and pitch count in those starts, that's fine. But he should take the mound the rest of the season and get his 30-31 starts for the season.
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Old 08-24-2013, 04:03 PM
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I agree, if he can't pitch a whole season now, how can the Sox expect him to pitch late in the season when they are playoff bound. This shutting down pitchers trend is getting ridiculous.
I agree with this. Maybe an extra day of rest if the schedule allows, but how will the top brass ever know if he can hold up for 200 innings or so a season if they shut him down and send him home early?

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I don't pretend to have nearly enough knowledge on pitching mechanics or kinesiology to make very informed decisions on the subject so whatever the Sox decide to do will, IMO, be the correct decision. For all the things this organization does poorly, and that's quite a laundry list, they do seem to have a knack for developing pitching and protecting player's health.

That also said, the Rangers aren't exactly a slouch of a team, I'm sure Sale's not the first pitcher this season they've made look bad. If he starts getting lit up by the Astros and Marlins, OK, then maybe I'll wonder. In 2 of his last 3 starts, Sale's shut down the Tigers and Yankees, so at this point, it seems prudent to think yesterday was the exception and not the rule.

Also, finally, Sale did struggle last September, and I'd personally prefer he learn how to keep stretching out and lasting a full season in a wasted year, rather than have him melt down again late in a meaningful season.
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:18 PM
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I don't pretend to have nearly enough knowledge on pitching mechanics or kinesiology to make very informed decisions on the subject so whatever the Sox decide to do will, IMO, be the correct decision. For all the things this organization does poorly, and that's quite a laundry list, they do seem to have a knack for developing pitching and protecting player's health.

That also said, the Rangers aren't exactly a slouch of a team, I'm sure Sale's not the first pitcher this season they've made look bad. If he starts getting lit up by the Astros and Marlins, OK, then maybe I'll wonder. In 2 of his last 3 starts, Sale's shut down the Tigers and Yankees, so at this point, it seems prudent to think yesterday was the exception and not the rule.

Also, finally, Sale did struggle last September, and I'd personally prefer he learn how to keep stretching out and lasting a full season in a wasted year, rather than have him melt down again late in a meaningful season.
Well put.

For the life of me, I don't know why people believe pitching a full season will do a pitcher harm in the future. I do see cases where pitchers come back from pitching in the World Series and aren't as sharp the next year from which some would surmise there is a workload carryover. But that isn't just about inning pitched or pitches thrown. It could be about pitching an additional month and not getting a full off-season to rest.

You see a lot of young pitchers who fade in September because they have never pitched so deep in a season before. If you want to develop strong starting pitchers, you want them to pitch in September.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:19 PM
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No! He isn't a baby, you eventually have to let him pitch a whole season.
I agree.Maybe ease off his innings slightly (only 5 innings instead of 7 or 8),but Sale's arm strength is important.He's not a rook anymore.Play with the big boys or go the **** home.

Just my 1 1/2 cents worth.
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:08 AM
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Should have tapered him back a month ago.

Bland, I'd be interested to hear your take on Rienzo.
I think for his success to continue he'll need to improve his breaking stuff. I also worry about PED use. He was suspended in the minors and wasn't as dominant after. He's older too. I think if he does improve the breaking stuff (control mostly, it's there) he could be a 4-5 guy with ceiling of a 2-3.
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