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Old 08-07-2013, 04:38 PM
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I was listening to B & B today,(I know, they drive me nuts also),and Berstein was discussing the future of the White Sox with his ''sources'' with the organization last nite,and he came away unusually positive,especially for him.

We all know he is one of the biggest naysayers around,but after questioning one of his supposed insiders at the Sox he had this to offer:

1. The Sox will only have around 60 million committed to payroll next year,and if Rios and or Dunn getting moved it will be even less.
2 The following year they will only have like 38 million committed to payroll.
3. They have one of the rare commodities in baseball...a true #1 starter,locked up for 7 years at cheap prices.
4. They have other reliable and cheap starters in Quintana and Santiago and then of course Danks....so they do have a rotation that can be servicable immediately.
5. They will have money,which in the new paradigm, is the currency in which you can add young talent with deals that take overpriced guys from other teams,and absorb some salary,but only if they add prospects.

Bernstein is usually extremely negative about the Sox hopes of quickly rebuilding,and in total love with Theo and the Cubs plan but today he actually turned on a dime and said he thinks the Sox have a workable plan for a reasonably quick turnaround.

He is having Rick Hahn on today at 5:30 pm ,and said he will try to get Hahn on the record with his plan for restoring the Sox quickly.
Now, we all know that Hahn is not going to advertise his plan much,but could make for some interesting listening.

Of course,the trick is to actually trade for and sign the right guys.
But, the signing of Sale was a key move.
Call me crazy,but I think Hahn can get the Sox competitive by 2015.
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:43 PM
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The sooner the Tigers win a WS and consequentially stop spending, the sooner the Sox are contenders in the ALC.
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:49 PM
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5. They will have money,which in the new paradigm, is the currency in which you can add young talent with deals that take overpriced guys from other teams,and absorb some salary,but only if they add prospects.
Regarding this new paradigm, when will it start?
When has a team traded a player with a bad contract plus prospects for essentially nothing in return?
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:04 PM
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Regarding this new paradigm, when will it start?
When has a team traded a player with a bad contract plus prospects for essentially nothing in return?
I was thinking the same thing. This is basically buying prospects from other teams. Every team in MLB makes money so I dont see why a club would sell prospects and only get money in return. Maybe Im missing something here.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:32 PM
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Look at the proposed deals with the Rangers on Rios....supposedly, the Rangers would offer better prospects if the Sox pick up some of Rios salary.

Teams that have bad deals on their books, might be willing to throw in prospects to get the Sox to pick up more of the money from the bad deal.

If we trade Dunn,and agree to pick up half of the salary,we get better prospects in the deal.

Look at the Angels,Dodgers,and other teams with huge payrolls...they might want to dump some of that bad contract,and willing to toss in some prospects to get rid of them.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:09 PM
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This has never happened and probably isn't right around the corner considering prospects are at an all time high value wise and each team gets a lot more money next year. Bernstein wrote an article about this on the score website and you will see reading it that he is way off base, even mentioning salary cap, which doesn't exist in MLB. Why would the Sox eat eight figures for a middle of the road prospect? Besides, if this was the Sox plan, why didn't they do it with Peavy or Rios? Word was, they would eat zero.

It seems Bernstein thinks the Sox play in the NBA.

I wonder if the guy Bernstein says he speaks to is an alter ego like Hawk is to Ken Harrelson.

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Old 08-07-2013, 07:36 PM
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I got a bit of a laugh out of Bernstein's article. It's really ludicrous to be honest.

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Financial elasticity is becoming a new market inequity in MLB, allowing creative teams more options for accelerated improvement as they take advantage of opponents laden with large, unproductive contracts.
Does he even know what he's saying here? Or is he just did he just flip through an econ textbook and pick a couple phrases to use?

And did he really mention TARP in the context of a baseball article?

Why would a team be willing to take on bad contracts just for the sake of getting prospects? How about just building your scouting system and player development and having solid drafts? Or you could just trade your own pieces you deem expendable to add prospects to your system.

And more importantly, why would other teams dump prospects just to get rid of a high priced player? Seems counter intuitive considering they'd be getting rid of veteran players AND their potential replacements simply for a bit of salary relief. Really makes no sense.

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