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Old 07-09-2013, 07:29 AM
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Default The Race is On: Your 2013 White Sox vs. 1970 White Sox

2013 White Sox 34-52 --
1970 White Sox 29-55 4.0 GB

July 8, 1970

White Sox beat Milwaukee and Al Downing 2-1, Tommy John with the complete game 5 hitter.

I'd take C.May, K. Berry, B. Melton, L. Aparicio, E. Herrmann over the current starters, 2013 team as the edge in starting pitching.

Ventura vs. Gutteridge? Toss Up.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:22 AM
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Default To be the Worst Sox team ever .

With respect to TomBradley72 and his 2013 vs 1970 thread (which reminds me of various comparison pieces the Trib used to run in seasons of contention)I decided to point out this fact in a separate thread.

As terrible as the 1970 team was {Their only winning pitcher was 1-0) it wasn't the worst team in terms of winning percentage.

The 1970 team went 56-106 for a .346 percentage

The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage

To post a worse percentage than 1932 over a full season, the Sox would have to go 51-111 for a .315 percentage.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:00 AM
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With respect to TomBradley72 and his 2013 vs 1970 thread (which reminds me of various comparison pieces the Trib used to run in seasons of contention)I decided to point out this fact in a separate thread.

As terrible as the 1970 team was {Their only winning pitcher was 1-0) it wasn't the worst team in terms of winning percentage.

The 1970 team went 56-106 for a .346 percentage

The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage

To post a worse percentage than 1932 over a full season, the Sox would have to go 51-111 for a .315 percentage.
Its possible
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:13 AM
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They started the dive too late. You can't be .500 in late May if you want to achieve that kind of notoriety. They needed to commit to full out tank mode in early April if they wanted to win less than 50 games...
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:16 AM
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You should reverse the standings. The 2013 team is 4 games behind the '72 team for the purposes of this thread.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:27 AM
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They started the dive too late. You can't be .500 in late May if you want to achieve that kind of notoriety. They needed to commit to full out tank mode in early April if they wanted to win less than 50 games...
LOL....thanks for fixing my post (if your the one that did), thou should not talk on phone and type at same time!
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:18 AM
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3rd worse record in MLB as of today. Shocked we are the worst
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:16 PM
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They started the dive too late. You can't be .500 in late May if you want to achieve that kind of notoriety. They needed to commit to full out tank mode in early April if they wanted to win less than 50 games...
The 1970 White Sox were two games under .500 in mid-May. Going into a scheduled May 17 Sunday doubleheader and riding a four-game winning streak, there was a Don Gutteridge quote in the Tribune about sweeping "and then we'll be .500."

This White Sox team doesn't compare in futility to the 1970 team. Bill Melton was moved to right field in July because he was making so many errors at third base, including a dropped pop up that left him with a broken nose. In the other corner, Carlos May is one of my favorite players of all time, but the year after his mortar injury didn't help his defense. Once after fielding a ball down the third-base line, he missed the cut-off man with a throw in the stands behind third base.

Lack of defense, despite having Herrmann, Aparicio, Knoop and Berry to play up the middle, was a huge problem. The team gave up 100 unearned runs and gave up enough earned runs to have the worst ERA in the American League. It wasn't even close. They were about one-third of a run worse than the next worse team, the Brewers, who the year before had been the expansion Pilots.

The only pitcher to start at least 12 games with an ERA less than a run above the league average was Tommy John. The only other pitcher other than John with more than 200 innings was Gerry Janeski, who finished second in starts on the team. He was a rookie who pitched 205 of his 280 big-league innings that year. A few players barely hung on in the majors after being traded from the 1970 White Sox. I think there were 10 players on that team who never played in the majors after 1970.

The 1970 White Sox were in the bottom half of the league in runs scored and gave up more runs than anyone else by a wide margin.

The 1970 team makes the current team look like a contender.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:37 PM
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The 1970 White Sox were in the bottom half of the league in runs scored and gave up more runs than anyone else by a wide margin.

The 1970 team makes the current team look like a contender.
Really, pitching is the only edge this current Sox team has over that one. This year's Sox won't lose 106 games, but if (or when) they do trade away most or all of the major pieces...oh boy.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:23 AM
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With respect to TomBradley72 and his 2013 vs 1970 thread (which reminds me of various comparison pieces the Trib used to run in seasons of contention)I decided to point out this fact in a separate thread.

As terrible as the 1970 team was {Their only winning pitcher was 1-0) it wasn't the worst team in terms of winning percentage.

The 1970 team went 56-106 for a .346 percentage

The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage

To post a worse percentage than 1932 over a full season, the Sox would have to go 51-111 for a .315 percentage.
I think there are fewer people here who remember the 1932 team.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:17 AM
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How's next year's draft class looking? It'd be if the Sox could get a top 10 or even top 5 pick.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:32 PM
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After 106 games:

1970 White Sox 37-69 28.5 GB
2013 White Sox 40-66 21.0 GB (for now)

We've been stuck on 40 wins for a while. The 1970 team got to 40 on August 5. It's gonna be a close race!
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:45 PM
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I hope Sox fans everywhere can appreciate the magnitude of just how inept this sorry excuse for a team is. To be in the running to match this level of incompetence is very hard to accomplish. My hats off to all them.
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:24 PM
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I hope Sox fans everywhere can appreciate the magnitude of just how inept this sorry excuse for a team is. To be in the running to match this level of incompetence is very hard to accomplish. My hats off to all them.
Honestly, I've never been this excited about a losing season. I hate when they are middling. Give me horrible or give me great.
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:53 PM
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I remember as a kid watching the 1970 team and as pathetic as they were they still were more entertaining to watch then this overpaid outfit is. They had Horlen,T John,Wood,Aparicio,K Berry,C May,B Melton, and T McCraw. This team has Sale, Konerko and Reed and not much else to get you to come to the ballpark.
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