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Old 07-02-2013, 09:33 AM
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I'd trade Sale. To add about 5 top prospects to this organization would help us win in the long run.

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Old 07-02-2013, 09:42 AM
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They shouldn't not trade Sale. If you can get back two or three elite prospects, AND make some team take on Adam Dunn, then yeah, you make that deal.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:48 AM
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This is a worthy discussion going forward, but I will wait until the offseason to chime in.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:12 AM
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Not unless we get blown away with an offer.

From a club standpoint, trading Sale would be like the 88 Sox trading Jack McDowell. And Sale already is more accomplished than McDowell was in 88.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:35 AM
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Not unless we get blown away with an offer.

From a club standpoint, trading Sale would be like the 88 Sox trading Jack McDowell. And Sale already is more accomplished than McDowell was in 88.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:39 AM
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If the right offer comes about, yes.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:01 AM
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No one is unable to be moved in the right deal.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:06 PM
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Not unless we get blown away with an offer.

From a club standpoint, trading Sale would be like the 88 Sox trading Jack McDowell. And Sale already is more accomplished than McDowell was in 88.
I disagree that those are comparable situations. By the time McDowell was as established as Sale, the Sox were competitive and had lots of pieces in place to become very good in a very short amount of time. It's hard to say 1988 McDowell is like Sale at any point--he went 5-10 and spent the entire next year in the minors. When he came back up and established himself as a permanently good starter, the team had Ventura, Fernandez, Thomas later in the year, and a very good group of people around him too.

I would say Sale is about where McDowell was in '91. The '91 Sox vs the '13 Sox is a silly comparison.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:44 PM
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I disagree that those are comparable situations. By the time McDowell was as established as Sale, the Sox were competitive and had lots of pieces in place to become very good in a very short amount of time. It's hard to say 1988 McDowell is like Sale at any point--he went 5-10 and spent the entire next year in the minors. When he came back up and established himself as a permanently good starter, the team had Ventura, Fernandez, Thomas later in the year, and a very good group of people around him too.

I would say Sale is about where McDowell was in '91. The '91 Sox vs the '13 Sox is a silly comparison.
I was looking at this from the club perspective, not the player perspective. I think the 2013 Sox are about where the 88 Sox were. The pieces are different, and at different stages of development, but overall the picture is similar.

It will take two years to overhaul the starting lineup. If we focus on defense and fundamentals, we can be competitive again in 2015, similar to the 1990 Sox.

Given that we can overhaul the starting lineup in two years, it makes perfect sense to keep Sale, just like it made perfect sense to Larry Himes to keep Jack McDowell in 88.

Now we just need to hit home runs on our high draft picks in 2014 and 2015.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:00 PM
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He is not expendable. Very few players are. If the right deal can be made, he should be traded.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:06 PM
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I was looking at this from the club perspective, not the player perspective. I think the 2013 Sox are about where the 88 Sox were. The pieces are different, and at different stages of development, but overall the picture is similar.

It will take two years to overhaul the starting lineup. If we focus on defense and fundamentals, we can be competitive again in 2015, similar to the 1990 Sox.

Given that we can overhaul the starting lineup in two years, it makes perfect sense to keep Sale, just like it made perfect sense to Larry Himes to keep Jack McDowell in 88.

Now we just need to hit home runs on our high draft picks in 2014 and 2015.
I guess I get what you're saying. I just think it's a bit of a strange comparison since the Sox stunk when McDowell first came up as a very young pitcher, and by the time he established himself, they were getting good. The Sox were (relatively) good when Sale came up, and now with him firmly established, they are a significant rebuilding away from being good again.

McDowell came up with a lousy team and got better as the team was rebuilt around him. Sale came up with a good team and got better as the team crumbled.

Maybe a more closely matched theoretical situation to ponder is this: Would the Sox have considered trading McDowell in 1991 or '92 if they had been 15 games below .500 in July and had a team made up of mostly crappy veterans who were worth nothing?
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:27 PM
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Yeah. For Mike Trout.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:46 PM
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Yeah. For Mike Trout.
Only if they throw in Conger.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:48 AM
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Yeah. For Mike Trout.
I for one hope they don't trade Sale or Peavy; but Fielder Jones offer I would take; but since it won't happen keep Sale.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:34 AM
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I for one hope they don't trade Sale or Peavy; but Fielder Jones offer I would take; but since it won't happen keep Sale.
Yeah, that's the point. The only way I would let go of Sale is for a current MLB all star. No one's going to offer that.
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